You can totally yolo baking, just don't expect consistent results.
Actually, even if you do everything exactly the same it's best if you don't expect consistent results.
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You can totally yolo baking, just don't expect consistent results.
Actually, even if you do everything exactly the same it's best if you don't expect consistent results.
Cooking is art.
Baking is science.
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With sufficient experience, understanding, and intuition it is possible to yeehaw baking and get delicious results. I have enough of none of those things to do it, but there are at least several people who can.
My philosophy on recipes when cooking a new dish, is read at least 5 recipes, then follow none of them. I've made quite a few dishes with this method, most came out just how I wanted, and none yet have been bad. It's a bit free, but not full yeehaw.
I remember one of the first days in my high school chemistry class our teacher said she was bad at baking and could never get recipes to work.
That was the moment I knew chemistry if I was going to learn anything it would have to be from the book that year.
Anyways so I don't think I ever learned chemistry
As a former professional baker, nah.
Most of these home bakers talking about how “precise” their baking is aren’t actually that precise. They:
Cooking and baking aren’t that different, there are hard and fast rules in both, but also if you’re good at one, you’re also good at the other, because they are the same thing. Can you follow a recipe that involves cooking meat in the oven? Then guess what? You can also bake a cake. I’m sorry to be the bearer of good news
It never made sense why baking is put on this weird pedestal compared to "cooking".
100%! This is what I’m saying. If you can cook, you can bake. Sorry/not sorry.
so you are saying i could put like twice the amount of eggs in the cake, and quarter the amount of flour in and it will still be an awesome cake? Like I can do when cooking?
It would be something different but not bad. Clafouti is made like that, lots of egg not much flour. It's lovely.
But if you know the recipe how would you miss by that much?
You wouldn't put twice the salt and half the main ingredient in something you were cooking without expecting it to turn out very differently, right?

What recipe where you’re cooking can you change ingredients by such extreme amounts? Pasta bolognese or lasagne with 2x as much meat and a quarter as much pasta would be all wrong. Do you put 2x as much oil in a sauce and expect it to go well? When you make a roux, don’t you have to like. Balance the amount of butter with the amount of flour?
When you cook rice, do you experiment with different amounts of water? Or do you just cook it until it’s cooked?
In general, though, yes, stylistic decisions like how much egg vs. flour is how you make different types of cake. There’s not one platonic ideal of cake because baking isn’t as precise as advertised.
What recipe where you’re cooking can you change ingredients by such extreme amounts?
some examples:
generally my exact compositions depends of packages sizes and what is available, and how cheap I am. i.e I usually put full cans in it, and thus round to the next full can. And when I want to save money, I put half as much meat in it)
Pasta bolognese or lasagne with 2x as much meat and a quarter as much pasta would be all wrong
80% meat lasagna sounds awesome.
Balance the amount of butter with the amount of flour?
That is something that needs to balanced, but even then I am +-20% i guess.
When you cook rice, do you experiment with different amounts of water?
Rice is the one thing that needs exact measuring for water.
Or do you just cook it until it’s cooked?
I know someone who cooks rice like pasta, i.e. with lots of water, and in the end uses a sieve for the excess water. I may be crazy, but I am not that crazy.
From what I've seen, bakers can usually cook. The reverse... eeeeh...
They just haven’t practiced it. If you’re a good cook, you absolutely have capacity to be a good baker, because they’re only semantically different things. If we called it cooking a cake, no one would draw this distinction, and some other languages/cultures don’t.
If you can prepare, mix, and properly cook ingredients then you can prepare, mix, and properly bake ingredients.
I mean etymologically... It's called a cake and not a bake for a reason.
Edit: also cookie not bakie, biscuit not bisboulangé ... actually french uses cuire for cooking and baking
I don't always measure for baking - for bread and pastry I do weigh everything (ETA not because there is an ideal - there is still a range of amounts that will work - but because I want to know what the hydration % is) but for cakes I do them like cornbread, it's more proportions - I know that for 3 eggs I need a certain amount of flour, I know how much baking powder and salt per cup of flour, and how much fat, milk or buttermilk or yogurt or ricotta, whatever - know it will work if I get it in the ballpark.
For cooking yep I am a yeehaw no recipe anarchist. Or more accurately, I read recipes for inspiration then don't look at them while cooking, but I am old and have made so many mistakes over the years I know what I'm doing. It feels like intuition but is experience.
Your last paragraph is just how my mom bakes. It’s entirely possible to bake without recipes once you have the experience, like you’re saying.
Why does this get repeated so much as if it is some kinda rule when it often isn't.
I do all my baking on vibes. The sourdough feels about right, in it goes. Nothing at all was measured. Even temperature is vibe based.
Because a lot more people regularly cook than bake
The more you learn about something the less complex it gets. People say things like this that don't have a clue about baking. No, for the most part it is not true at all.
It is a hard rule but a lot of baking had more to do with managing your chi and conditioning your body. Very little of baking has much of anything to do with following recipes. Baking is about guts, sweat, tears and style.
I think you might have the Baker's God Hand, because of restricted capillaries in your arms your hands are several degrees colder then normal plus your hands intuitively lower their sweat and oil production based on what you're baking, because of this your sourdough turns out perfect.
Most bakers spend years training to achieve the Baker's God Hand. Unfortunately there are no shortcuts. For the longest time bakers believed that the only way to gain the Baker's God Hand was by having a white tiger lick the skin off your fingers tips. This was after renowned Indian baker Vikram Rao revealed that this had happened to him as a child on the popular Japanese battle royale bake off show Akogare Baker X Kami-Sama.
Then in early 2004 after a South African baker achieved the Baker's God Hand the reigning belief became that the only way to achieve this amazing ability was to be have both hands pierced by a charging rhino. You should be thankful that you were born with the God Hand, it's quite rare and I wouldn't be surprised if some deranged baker were to try and steal your hands, so watch out.
Why does this get repeated so much
Because of the longer feedback loops. If you aren't an experienced baker, you might not notice that the hydration is off, or that you're not building enough strength in your dough, or that the temperature will cause the dough to rise slower than normal, and then you're left asking why your loaf didn't rise as much as you'd like, why the end result is dense, why the dough stuck to the pan instead of cleanly releasing, etc.
Once you're experienced you'll know when you need to add more water, when you'll need to adjust times, whether the dough is too sticky, whether you're tearing the gluten strands too much, whether your finished loaf is going to be more or less sour than you prefer, what adjustments should be made with the new flour you're working with, etc.
But until you know how each step feeds into the next, being unable to taste the steps in between makes it a lot harder to learn quickly, and requires a longer working memory to connect how you handled the dough during an autolyse versus how the bread loaf turned out hours later out of the oven, and eventually learn the lessons of smell, touch, feel that aren't easy to learn from written recipes.
I used to be able to bake like this, but I recently moved to an area that is at a much lower elevation than where I learned to bake and I'm finding now that if I eyeball I end up slightly fucking up all of my baking.
Knowing the science behind all methods of cooking is what made me a better cook. Alton Brown is the shit for teaching the science behind why things are done. No other TV cook has taught me more about how to cook with my own ideas and not simply follow someone else's recipes.
Bread is like cooking there, I'll just throw stuff in and try new stuff while baking bread
It'll be edible but sometimes it may be DENSE lol. I love me some bread, so I'm going to enjoy it either way
One requires specific chemical reactions to happen in specific orders.
One make food hot
You haven’t seen me bake. There are no maps where we are going. I follow dark magic and shepherd the carbs to their full potential.
Opposite, dude! Or let me redefine that. Cooking is also a no holds bar situation. Kitchen is a fuck around space and we can fail any way we want to as long as no one sees it. Do you want to try some garam masala pesto on my basil orange bread?
Isn't that the situation described in the post, not the opposite?
I'm just saying that baking is the same if you've got the balls or lack of self-preservation to experiment.
I didn't get that you were talking about baking since you didn't mention baking and explicitly mentioned cooking
I suppose you're correct. My bad. I guess I intended to imply it with basil orange bread, which I still think is possible. I just have to workshop it.
IN THE KITCHEN!