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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 186 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

We all knew infection was the best protection.

Statistically speaking, yes, comparing the group who had had COVID vs the group that was vaccinated, in subsequent COVID infections those who had had the disease were less likely to die.

Because those in the infection group who were most likely to die of COVID had already died. Turns out surviving COVID is a good indicator of your ability to survive COVID.

The statistics on unvaccinated first-time COVID vs vaccinated first-time COVID tells a very different story.

This kind of bullshit frustrates me so much.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 76 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Long covid is a thing. And it sucks. I’d rather be vaccinated than end up with long covid.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 45 points 2 weeks ago

I’d also rather be vaccinated than dead from my first round of COVID. But yes, I know some people suffering from long COVID and it absolutely sucks.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago

Something something B17s.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago

"Best" if you exclusively optimize for immunity in living patients.

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[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We tried immunity via infection. Over a million people died.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 32 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

But the survivors did great! You Demoncrats keep hiding the FACTS and SCIENCE 😮‍💨

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Did Rand Paul trying checking under the couch cushions? Everyone I cant find something, it's under the couch cushion.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Has Rand Paul ever gotten a cold? He must have only done so once and now has lifetime immunity.

I remember the time I got the flu. Boy was it awful, but I'm so glad I can't ever get it again.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

no, but he tried to certify himself by creating his own accredidation program when he became an MD for his specialty, i think opthamology. he was a scam artist from the start.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, infection is the best protection... If you survive your first infection, which an awful lot of people didn't, and many more still developed life long disability as a result.

So I think I speak for most when I say I'd rather take the vaccine, so my chances of dying/being hospitalised were way lower if I ever got the real thing.

[–] SolSerkonos@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Having gotten the vaccine, and later gotten Covid.. that it would have been way worse is scary.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"Infection is the best protection" sounds fucking crazy

I get the context, I get the point

But it's still crazy

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.

These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's the idea behind Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.

The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.

You're not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You're getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It's very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My favorite is that these chucklefucks treat COVID like it was all Dr Fauci's fault, as if every major country in the world didn't also have vaccine strategies in place. The moment you explain the rest of the world doing it better than America, they stare at you like deer in headlights.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they still believe china created it.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They believe FAUCI created it in a secret lab in Wuhan China.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

remember rand paul is the other SENATOR of kentucky, along with mitch.

[–] OleFoFa@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

So the good folk of Kentucky are represented by one dead senator and the other just brain-dead. I wonder what their internal monologue is convincing themselves that this is something that actually succeeds in "owning the libs"

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The core problem with all this anti-vax bullshit, is that Vaccines worked..and they worked too well.

We have entire generations now that have never seen the terrible consequences of Polio, Smallpox, Measels (Although thats quickly changing, Go America! /s), or any other disease thats been eliminated (at least at one point.. Go America! /s) from popular concern and conscious.

and as a result, they have no idea what crippling horrors that they have been, and are actively, protected from.

and because humans are, generally, stupid and irrational and a lot of them lack the capability to think about anything beyond what they can see within 3 feet around them, they scream about the vaccines and call them evil because they have absolute no experience with the alternative, which is the diseases themselves.

[–] casualvagrancy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t forget scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, puerperal fever, and the plague!

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep. In this case: rules are written in blood, yet some people forget why they are here in the first place.

Only to inevitably find out "holy shit, now i get it"

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[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Rand Paul is vaccinated. Reminder to tell anyone who brings him up that fact.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

All conservatives are. Even the most vehement anti-vax ones.

Fox News didnt let anyone in the building without a vaccine card at one point.

But conservative voters always conveniently ignore and pretend not to remember all of this.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Reminder: The neoeugenics movement wants to ban vaccines for the masses, so that the poor will die from preventable diseases.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Disease mutates if left to eat through the masses. It will mutate into something that kills them too. What an idiotic idea, I struggle to believe these people actually think this way.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Eugenics: I'll make better people for you. Stronger, faster, smarter! A race of Harrison Bergerons!

Eugenicists: But what if we could become immune to polio?

[–] 52fighters@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I think the problem was rooted in public trust. Many people were required to vaccine due to their work or where they lived and vaccine manufacturers were largely sheltered from product lawsuits. Putting these two things together has a corrosive effect on public trust.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-sue-if-im-harmed-by-the-coronavirus-vaccine.html

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What injuries? Who has been denied a case here? The standard requiring documented negligence seems completely reasonable, these are highly studied and highly documented items.

If you ride an elevator and you get a headache, you can't just sue the elevator manufacturer. That elevator was inspected at every step and was known to work, there is a very high bar for you to prove that the elevator caused the headache. Bringing lawyers in is a waste of everyone's time and money. Vaccines, even the coronavirus vaccines, are 100x as safe as those elevators.

Americans are over-litigious and uneducated about medicine.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not so much that Americans are uneducated.... it's more that a large portion have developed a resistance to being educated....one could perhaps say they're vaccinated against knowledge.

[–] 52fighters@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't the earlier AstraZeneca vaccine eventually get pulled due to possible links to Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. A lot of people are going to be upset at having a mandate when recourse to justice if the vaccine goes wrong is pulled before the effects are fully studied.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it did. But that one was also a traditional vaccine, not an mRNA one that these idiots screamed conspiracy about.

They used that to throw doubt on all vaccines in general.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago

trump politicized the hell out of it, thats where its coming from.

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[–] drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

Or, more likely, he submitted false results and went un-vaccinated

[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think the "science" Rand Paul follows is really science .

[–] 777Prawn@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

Unless he faked the creds.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, no, conservatives operate on 'rules for thee not for me'. There's no reason to assume Paul was vaccinated based on events he attended requiring vaccination.

I don't doubt that he was, but you can't draw a line between the things listed in the post.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 6 points 2 weeks ago

You mean he probably lied regarding his vax status, therefore forging documents.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

medical science has shown that long covid fucks with the brain. now, is this an "easy out" for stupid people, or do we really have to consider it

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Rand Paul is compromised.

[–] Chrglstr143@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Infection is the best protection? Alright then Rand, please get infected with HIV so that you may be protected from it in the future. Better yet, expose yourself to Marburg virus so you’ll never have to use a vaccine ever again. Doesn’t sound so smart now does it?

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