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A woman drives with both hands on the wheel. Her phone sits face-down on her lap. No officer pulls her over. No lights flash. Weeks later, a $1,251 ticket arrives in the mail. The evidence: a single frame from a Camera surveillance app. The charge: phone use while driving.

Automated camera companies market their devices as automated license plate readers — tools for catching stolen cars, flagging warrants, and aiding serious investigations.

Sold as a Crime Tool. Used as a Fine Machine.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

Since the article appears to be mostly a weird collection of badly referenced random cases, let me give you the primary source on the case in the headline:

https://www.tiktok.com/@kristakampz/video/7640403411845877012

Edit and also to save you having to go to tiktok, here's a frame extracted from the video:

Note, this was in Alexandra Headland in Queensland in Australia. So no idea why the article cites Georgia law....

Also this is relevant: https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/road-safety/mobile-phones

Illegal mobile phone use while driving includes:

  • holding it in your hand
  • resting on any part of your body (eg. your lap or shoulder)

If you hold your phone or have it on your body, you will be fined even if you’re not operating the phone, or it’s turned off.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So no idea why the article cites Georgia law....

Because there was another case in Georgia in December that they were citing as well. In fact they cite several cases in different parts of the country. The article is making a case for a supreme court challenge to these Constitution violating cameras and fines. The Australian cases just a viral opener for the topic.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago

Can't be that viral if the tiktok is already two months old. I think they are just too bad at journalism to check their sources.

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Does a phone in the pocket count as resting on any part of the body?

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

An example of what people in positions of authority think is perfectly acceptable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District

School authorities surreptitiously and remotely activated webcams embedded in school-issued laptops the students were using at home. After the suit was brought, the school district, of which the two high schools are part, revealed that it had secretly taken more than 66,000 images.

A lawsuit wasn't enough, the administrators should be branded as sex offenders and the parents should have taken them out behind the school and beat the crap out of them.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 days ago

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Attorney's Office, and Montgomery County District Attorney all initiated criminal investigations of the matter, which they combined and then closed because they did not find evidence "that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone involved had criminal intent".

If I don't have intent to commit a crime but I break the law, it's not an excuse that a cop or judge will buy. Holy fuck.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I seem to recall something about a story where, like, a kids mom didnt know the camera was remotely turned on and walked through the room naked, after having just gotten out of the shower, and there was some kind of CPS investigation about it?

or is my brain mixing up several different school district voyeur stories together?

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District

The school took 66,000 pictures of students in their bedrooms. School administrators should be listed as sex offenders but that doesn't happen in the U.S. Case in point - our child rapist in chief.

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Why did they even have the ability to do that in the first place? Holy fuck dude

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Traffic cams violate our constitutional right to face our accuser in court.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t you just need a police officer to go to court and say they are accusing you based on said evidence and then you still face the accuser

The huge invasions of privacy seem like a much bigger issue but I am also not a legal expert

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The police officer didn't witness the crime. They're making that Judgement based on evidence provided by a third party.

If my house were broken into, and I managed to capture video of the incident, I can't just hand that to the police and call it a day. The accused has a constitutionally protected right to face me in court, not just the video or the officer I gave the video to, so that their defense can interrogate it fully. What if there is additional context that undermines the narrative presented by this single piece of evidence? If I know the accused and had a reason to see them convicted (such as getting a kickback from any fine they pay), now my clear evidence becomes a little more suspect. Now there's a very clear motive for me to skew, misinterpret, or completely fabricate the video.

That's what OP is referring to. If a company is going to install cameras and claim their cameras caught me doing something I shouldn't have, I have a right to ask that company for more details regarding their claim. Ideally in a public court, with a representative of the company under oath.

[–] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 5 points 5 days ago

Or more concisely: the government should never contract out law enforcement to private companies.

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago

Would be funny if it was a more modern vehicle, with a massive ipad that's nearly bolted to your forehead and has displays on the back of every headrest.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago

For your safety.™

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Great. Let me make sure my phone sits somewhere that hides it from view overhead when im not using it.

Ive been leaving my phone home more and more when I go places. I can't wait until I get a citation for not having a phone.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Article:

Georgia law (OCGA 17-4-23) generally requires a traffic offense occur in the presence of an officer for a citation to be valid — raising direct legal questions about mail-in AI camera tickets.

Washington State caps automated camera fines at $145 under RCW 46.63.220 — far below what you might be paying too much when the viral ticket hits $1,251.

Five Albany, Georgia officers were criminally charged for misusing Flock plate-reader data for personal reasons, according to USA Today.

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[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 7 points 5 days ago

Wow, it sure must take a lot of processing power to go through that much surveillance data.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

"Take cops out of the equation for traffic enforcement."

"NO, not like that!!!"

[–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (8 children)
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