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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 hours ago

I had a discussion with someone about the language of the Tamarians, you know, "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" etc. They thought it was unrealistic that an advanced species had this culture-centerd mode of communication.

Then there is this short exchange, and I don't even need the picture, but we both know exactly what it would look like, and the background and meaning it carries.

[–] xxxb@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

win win we get climate goals and wr get rid of ai.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

we get climate goals

Only for European companies to use American or Asian servers. It's even more unbelievable than shifting steel production toΒ China and celebrating EU emission reductions.

China has solar cell production overcapacities. The EU should make use of it.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When he says "Europe must choose", I assume he doesn't mean by referendum or any democratic way, right?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well in fact EU is a pretty well functioning democracy, and most member countries are too.
So the decision will be up to democratically elected representatives, that were elected in fair elections.
So it will be mostly democratic.

Here in Denmark datacenters have a waiting line, because renewable production needs to be scaled up to handle it.
Europe is NOT USA. Where datacenters can take over electric supply from smaller cities, leaving them without a supplier for electricity.

My guess is that the lobby that made that statement is centered in USA, and is as braindead as the American Government.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

LoL

I wish you were right, but no.

[–] BigShammy80@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago

So the decision will be up to democratically elected representatives, that were elected in fair elections.

Sadly, a lot of them are corrupt.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The EU just re-introduced ChatControl after being rejected twice by the elected representatives. The third time, a majority of elected representatives still voted against it, but thanks to a trick embedded in the rules, it passed anyway: introduced as an "urgent" bill, they needed absolute majority to stop it.

So no, sorry, as lond as that kind of shit can happen, the EU is a flawed democracy. Maybe it's not as fucked as some others, but it's flawed nonetheless.

The datacenter in Denmark waiting is a good Denmark's policy. This is not the same in other countries, it is not a EU policy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

You are way off regarding the chat control, We've had regulation that has worked fine since 2002! This has been revised a few times, and the proposal in 2026 was voted down by the EU parliament.
The Parliament then decided for it, so there was a democratic majority in Parliament, that decided that it should require a super majority to block it again.

When to sides disagree, it has to be decided one way or the other, you can't always make everybody happy.
I have no personal opinion on the issue, but it seems to me democracy has worked fine.

Regarding not all countries doing things the same way we do, I maintain that nowhere in EU has a company been able to take over supply of electricity from the population, so the population didn't have a supplier.
Prices on electricity have gone up in general in Europe, but that's also because of the heat waves we've had. Prices also go up here in such situations.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 58 points 2 days ago

Climate goals then, easy decision.

[–] botbot@feddit.org 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] B0rax@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago

As the climate is what keeps the world inhabitable for humans… climate > literally everything else.

[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have Data Centers or die of a heat stroke. Hmmm, that's tough...

[–] Woander@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

No, you will get both at once! Isn't that fantastic ?

False equivalency. But marks for trying to leverage AI hype for the polluters

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We can actually have renewable energy powered AI today.

These people are just stalling it because they think turbines are "ugly" and batteries are foreign.