It clicks anew for people every single day, my brothers and sisters
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Well, I maybe have good news for this person... AMOC collapse is an anticipated effect of global warming and it would paradoxically make it much, much colder in Ireland. As in "Ice Age" colder.
It does not conclude it would make it much, much colder. It concludes the collapse would reduce the addition of heat from AMOC to the area but does not seem to include heat addition from anything else, like global warming itself. AMOC collapse may just offset heating from elsewhere. It is not confidently known what will happen. But we'll likely get to find out first hand.
When?
That’s the trillion-Euro question, and the answer so far is “between 15 years and never,” but some researchers have said they are seeing early signs of the current weakening. It’s a controversial topic in climate research, but it’s one of lose “low probability, high impact” events that can’t be safely ignored.
Two days before the day after tmrw.
Take a scientist's estimate and watch as a select few in power with no self-preservation instinct divide that number in half.
In a very real sense I'd say this sort of thing belongs in Leopards Ate My Face.
There are a lot of these people who are all of a sudden "Oh, this was not just doomsaying on the part of some radical scientists, this is a real thing." Now that they're actually experiencing the consequences of the last 40 years of complete and total inaction, they are expressing their regret. And, I'm sorry but you all voted for this. You all actively decided to ignore the problem because it was not affecting you at the time. And you didn't really think it would ever actually affect you. And now that it is, you're sad about it. And a lot of these people were even mocking people like Greta Thunberg for her anger at the complete indifference to the global climate crisis we were headed towards. And, to that and them, I say fuck you! We all tried to warn you and you simply ignored us. And now we are all in the same sinking boat together. And for my money, you deserve any and all hardships that you experience due to this climate crisis.
Gore won his election and the supreme court took it away from us. You can't blame the voters completely, at least in the USA.
But also I would be overjoyed to see people go this far in their understanding of the issue. Covid really made me lose faith in the ability of people to understand and accept the reality around them.
Agree, welcome to the fucking conversation pal, too bad you had to be bitch slapped across the face before you realized it was heading right for you all this time.
I personally have been prepping, bought property in areas that will fare better, hopefully, trying to be more independent with food and focusing on community. Looking into solar to get off grid. And the biggest, not having kids because I didn't want to doom anyone to this purposefully. The signs were all there, some of us paid attention.
One of the frustrating things is people acting like they were engaging this discussion in good faith decades ago. They've gotten away with being extraordinarily selfish for most of their lives, and now turn around and go oops.
This had already been explained to them and they refused to listen when the whole world depended on it.
Is this guy better than someone still denying it now? Sure, whatever. We're still allowed to be mad at them for the damage they've done, like a vandal who suddenly stops and apologizes.
The petrol psyops really did a number on humanity
vandalism is based tho, graffiti is the highest form of art
Whoever called it a "climate warming" should be shot in the head. Because yes, yes it is warming in general, but the choice to call it that was terrible. It's summer, temperature is below 20C today, my neighbors are saying "where the fuck is climate warming? those idiots said it will be hot!"
It should be called climate destabilization, focusing not on hot/cold but on extreme weather.
"Global warming" is the accurate term. So that is what they called it. Science is not now nor has it ever been about branding and populism. The world is, as a whole, becoming warmer and that is leading to the complete destabilization of climate systems across the globe. But the fact is that it is incredibly hard to predict the total outcome of global warming and climate change. So making predictions becomes a very dangerous game. And I would like to add that when they saw that the phrase "global warming" was not getting enough attention they changed it to "climate change" to try to be more accurate in a way that people would understand better (see the dipshit congressman who brought a snowball on to the Congressional floor to "prove that global warming was fake"). But then that backfired too because climate change doesn't sound quite so dangerous. So most people felt completely comfortable in totally ignoring it.
There's also the problem of the consequences of global warming and climate change are future problems that people don't believe they have to worry about right now. There's a very real "fix it in the future" attitude that has become prevalent in society. And the problem with that is, of course, we can't fix it in the future. Because once the destabilization of the global climate system starts, there is virtually nothing we can do to stop it. We may be able to mitigate some of the effects. But not the long-term destruction of the environment that we have become so accustomed to living in.
That's why they changed it to "climate change".
Yea but then some mouth-breather goes “the climate has always changed iver time!” while ignoring the fact that it often came with extinction events, and also happened over a much longer time than a handful of generations.
Nothing you call it will ever satisfy the people who need Climate Change to be wrong to preserve their pride.
The fact is that they are just regurgitating what they were told, so they will never take a real stance or think about it. At least the poster in the image is finally breaking out of the trance, even if it is 40 years later than he should have.
I wish it was 20C it's 37 here and it's unbearable. It definitely is hot, of course it's not hot everywhere.
It's not inaccurate per se to say global warming because on a planetary level that is what's happening. The planet is getting hotter. But it is going to be cool if it's very windy or after a storm, that's to be expected.
This is why it's frustrating. It's not a lie, it's not wrong, it just fuels anti-climate-change crowd.
During last 30 days my region had:
- above 30C
- below 20C
- thunderstorms
- strong winds
But because it's summer, the "below 20C" is the one people usually focus on. "If there is global warming, how come summers are colder?"
In fact ever since COVID my region had much colder summers...
Where I am, we've been getting pretty heavy rain during 100F/37C heat, and it's kind of unnerving how quickly it dries up.
I'm not saying that a thing's label doesn't matter, but there are a couple important facts to keep in mind:
- A label is not enough space to fully communicate any idea.
- A person's willingness to disagree is not rational.
If I could pretend to be a conservative, uh... pedophile for a moment, what might I say about "climate destabilization"?
- That's not going to happen; that's ridiculous.
- We go through seasons and extreme weather all the time—what's "stable" about that?
- You're some alarmist tree-hugger just trying to scare people, aren't you?
- If destabilization is so bad, companies would never let it happen. Why would they when they need the planet too?
- "Destabilization", brought to you by the same irrational, ruled-by-fear people who can't handle an unloaded gun being in the same room as them—heh heh!
- What does destabilization mean, anyway? Like, one more hurricane a year? Just don't live in Florida.
- "Oh no! The climate is destabilizing!"—meanwhile in reality, birds are chirping, nothing has changed.
- Everything "destabilizes"; man makes plans, God laughs.
- We all have ACs and heaters now anyway, so what's the problem exactly?
All of these bullet points come from the same place: what you're suggesting, that climate change is a problem, is both a lot of difficult effort to solve and very scary to think about. So, emotionally, they just refuse to. It's easier to refuse to. You don't have to live anxiously if you refuse to.
There are a large number of complicated and diverse sociological reasons why climate change isn't taken seriously, and making the label scarier would only really be effective if it represented an across-the-board rhetorical tactic to scare the public into action. That means posters, flyers, ads on television, tv programs and movies, fiction and non-fiction, politicians who will not shut up about it, constant news about the worst-case scenarios and what people watching need to do right now to stop it, companies who pollute being depicted as evil and villainous and a threat to us right now and legally blocked from being allowed to advertise for themselves (e.g. tobacco companies).
Climate change needs strong, inciting propaganda, and for the last 50 years has had very piss-poor propaganda, mostly because money doesn't want it to.
Yeah it's not helped by the fact that there's no real consensus in climate science about what will happen. I've seen models that run from global desertification to an ice age.
That disparity is because there is more than one runaway trigger involved and which one hits first decides the way we go.
Many people got the message, however wrong, that it was nothing to worry about for 100 years, and read things like "2.1C" and figured that wasn't very much.
Of course, our public education system being dismantled by the billionaires hasn't helped at all. At least, it hasn't helped we the poors, they're getting exactly what they wanted.
Yeah instead of global average temperatures they should have been telling about the extremes any one particular country might see.
"X Country will have 60°C summer days before 2050!" Is a lot scarier than 2.1° globally.
How to win over the masses, though? Most people know about climate change, they'll say it's terrible and something should be done, but aren't ready to make any personal sacrifices to do something about it. How do we get them to give up eating meat or taking planes
By changing our economic system so that external costs are internalized.
Yeah. I hate that people think this can be fixed with a few idividual changes. We will need to change our entire way of thinking or nature will make us change.
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The moment you mention anything that could help you get people suddenly pretending that they give a shit about the poor.
Here is a random idea though. x10 energy fees with the first 6000kWh of electricity free (or very cheap) per year. No reductions for gas and oil. The poor were already not using much energy, if you actually care about them, this will actually reduce their energy bills.
Its hardly a new model either, phone data works the same kind of way, just monthly rather than annually.
What personal sacrifices are you making?
I stopped eating meat or flying planes completely. I have accepted that not flying limits my career opportunities. In my home, I electrified heating and cooking. I am saving for an EV but my current car is still doing fine. I hardly use my car, do my daily commute by bike. I go to protests against aviation, against fossil fuels and for the climate. I donate to climate causes. I teach my kids to consider the environment and climate in almost everything we do. I probably forget a lot of other small things, I am extremely climate conscious.
But this is just me. It's like voting. No individual is going to make any difference here. If loads of people do the same, maybe. The real resistance is about taxes, consumption, meat eating, flying. People must be forced to do more or it will only be more expensive later
Do you have a smartphone? Do you use social media, cloud services, streaming services, A.I. services?
What an ass argument.
"Helping a starving orphan is pointles, because you are not helping every starving orphan"
Troll argument
What the fuck
I am willing to give all of that up, but you're literally that "yet you participate in society" meme. This isn't about me
What are you getting at?
I'm just saying, I know a hypocrite when I see one.
You're on lemmy right now, do you need a mirror or is your head already so far up your own ass you can see the hypocrite from the inside?
renewable energy is the way to go. you can't ban fossil fuels unless you offer an alternative.
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South Park mirrors this. Since its a show which acts as social commentary and pokes fun at current events, they did Al Gore dirty and made fun of him for supposedly believing in imaginary climate change (man bear pig). 10 years later, they made episodes saying he was right.
FWIW Al gore was particularly full of shit. Totally motivated by his own profits. He basically freaked people out and then offered them a way to keep doing what they were doing and just pay him to absolve them of guilt. Essentially the pope of climate change.
Carbon offsets are a scam and humanity is the victim.
The solution was never going to involve "keep doing what you're doing".
There is also a futurama episode about global warming.
people wernt alarmed when most countries abandoned thier climate goals/initiatives like years ago.
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