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[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Well yeah, they could crank out a whole episode in like a day back then. These days people expect every episode to have the quality of Hollywood movie.

The nature of tv has changed. The gap between tv and movie has largely closed. People lament that we are moving away from traditional Hollywood movies, but I'd argue that we're more moving away from traditional television with premium tv now taking the place of movies in many ways.

It's not that people like stories less, they just seem to prefer a series of 1 hour movies told in 8 parts over a single 90 minute plotline.

Television used to be sooooo much different than Hollywood. There used to be almost no overlap in skills or technique. I used to work in TV, and what I used to do just isn't done anymore. The closest thing out there now to old tv is Saturday night live. They still kinda do it in that style.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think people prefer this. I think this is what we've been forced to prefer because that's the only thing available right now.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

There's still plenty of movies available right now. People are just watching the shows more and so that's what you hear about more.

[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bottle episodes meant people didn't need to be invested in years long sagas. People don't know what they want. They're force fed fancy wine, thinking they've become connoisseurs by their own choice, but actually it's box wine from Walmart. They get fed up and quit after a season or two, but they don't know why. They tell themselves it's because the writers or studios are doing it wrong. Of course that's true, but not for the reasons they think. Give people something easier to digest in small bites and they'll continue watching shows.

The same problem happened to Marvel. At this point nobody has kept track of the dozens of movies and all the plot lines. They lose viewers by attrition. They gain none because nobody is watching hundreds of hours of movies to catch up. Bottle episodes and standalones make it easy for people to start and stop at any point.

Standalone content got a derogatory label "filler". So people hate it because they're told to.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Discoverability is also in the toilet. You can't just turn on the television and find Star Trek. You have to be subscribed to the right streaming services in this landscape, and to do that, you have to want to watch it in the first place. It's not like when Discovery was new, and there was more or less just Netflix that people either had or didn't have.

Star Trek's now in the unenviable position of trying to attract a new causal audience, but being set up in places where more dedicated viewers will be the ones that can find and watch it.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

they keep coming out with new series, only to cancel it, because the show becomes sloppier and sloppier than STD, AND picard. also the fact that ELLISON owns it now.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Most of the nest star trek episodes were bottles

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 7 points 6 days ago
[–] Teal@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

A 16 episode season would be a nice compromise for a more detailed story and character development while not being much longer for those who bury their faces in phones or other devices and can’t be bothered to listen to more than 8-10 episodes. 👀 /s

A little extra breathing room compared to what’s common now would be great.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 6 days ago

Its not the brevity, it's the extended delay between them

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but actors and film crews who worked those syndicated TV shows will tell you how tortorous the work schedules were. Labor protections are a big part of the changes in episode production, and it's a good thing.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 2 points 6 days ago

The change is because of the shift to streaming, people can watch the shows whenever they want so things like status quo and always being on air are less important than having a narrative and strong episodes. Yes labor protections and the rest are important but even these days plenty of shows like soaps manage 20+ episodes - the difference is that they're aimed at a tv audience.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Half of them were filler and three of them were compilation recap episodes and they ran for 22 minutes each not counting ads, but yes, that's what USA TV series were like.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

And actors were visibly bored and mailing it in by episode 16.

That's 24 with Christmas and Halloween specials. Or a clip show, ugh.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (23 children)

TBH I don't mind if a modern season is 12 or so episodes, so long as those episodes are rock solid! One downside to 22-24 episode seasons is they obviously phone in a couple episodes, have some filler including the ever-dreaded clip-show.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

scifi shows need at least 20 at minimum, too much to go through that cant be done in 8-10episodes.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago

Bad writing if you can’t tell a story in 8 episodes

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's what I miss, some of the filler episodes would give so much more depth to the world and characters.

Every Ferengi episode in Ds9 was a treasure

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 12 points 6 days ago

All hail the bottle episodes!

Just think, due to budget distribution, we got "Family" right after "Best of Both Worlds, pt. 2" and it's among the best Picard-centric episodes (and provided thematic ground for Generations, First Contact, and Picard--for good and not-so-good)!

Other than "Profit and Lace", I agree with you.

[–] adarza@piefed.ca 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

i would rather have the 'longer' seasons with relatively consistent schedules and early announcement of cancellation or renewal. ya know, like the 'olden days'. yea. i feel as old as i sound. idc. that's what i want.

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