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Palm oil is a butter substitute. Every baked product at the grocery store that used to be made with butter is now made with palm oil, because it is cheaper. Palm oil is made up of long highly-saturated fatty acids that cause it to be solid at room temperature, giving it physical properties very similar to butter, making it suitable as a substitute. However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health. Butter is also saturated fat and is also somewhat bad, but palm oil is much worse because the varieties of fatty acids it contains are much different from animal fat fatty acids and the human body metabolizes them differently, so they have a much higher impact. Similar physical properties but worse health properties!

It is nearly impossible to find frozen baked goods that are still made with butter. This pie claims to be made with healthy ingredients, and specifically touts its butter content, but it conveniently omits mentioning palm oil entirely. Since palm oil appears first on the ingredients list before butter, that means there is more of it. Possibly almost the entire "butter-like" fraction of the pie consists of palm oil.

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health. I love apple pies and I was planning to eat this pie as my sole food over the course of 2 days for my One-Meal-A-Day (OMAD), but I'm not willing to risk eating palm oil. Thanks for nothing for getting my hopes up, pie box!

  • traditional wholesome German ingredients like palm oil
  • palm oil - just the way grandma used to make at home
  • contains memories of butter

I'm sure someone below will mention how palm oil is also bad for the environment and bad for the farmers and bad for the economy. I will only be answering questions about the film Rampart.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 hours ago

Worried about health. Planned to eat nothing but pie for 2 days.

Wat?

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

nothing says handmade and premium more than an ai generated description

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 hours ago

I'm pretty skeptical that palm oil is more unhealthy than butter. The farming practices surrounding it's production are not wholesome sure. But it tastes good and cost less than butter.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 hours ago

Who eats pie thinking it's healthy?

[–] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 hours ago

What are you talking about? This is just like grandma used to make it! With a heaping glob of palm oil scooped out by her palm, measured by eye yet always coming out the same constant taste.

Too bad after the 18th hear attack, poor me maw is in heaven now but she sure did love her palm oil.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

For all those decrying the ethics of palm oil - you are aware of the yields per hectare of the various plant oils, right?

  • Soybean: 0.47 ton oil/ha/year
  • Sunflower: 0.78 ton oil/ha/year
  • Rapeseed: 0.74 ton oil/ha/year
  • Palm Oil: 3.36 tons oil/ha/year

Would anybody like to suggest how to switch away from palm oils without deforesting what remains of the Amazon?

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The difference is the others don't require a tropical environment to grow. So you can grow them without any deforestation.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

Despite supplying over one-third of the world's vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

By that logic though, imagine how much land we could reclaim for other purposes (including reforestation) if we shifted more existing farmland towards palm oil.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

That’s not where palms grow.

True. So reforest the land instead.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

so we've gotten a shitton better at aero- and hydroponics. can we grow the right palm tree in a greenhouse yet?

i'm in the california bay area so palm trees are more of a wealth indicator than a "hey they grow here" thing. but they're everywhere because people want to signal that they're wealthy, even if they aren't.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That will never be able to compete on price with clear cut rainforest land and trained primates doing the picking.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

nonsense this is statesia we got children

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[–] consumptionone@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Aren't some of those plants grown in plains? I don't think the yield per hectare is the whole story. Palm oil is tropical, leading to deforestation, but at least some of the others you listed are not.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It still says "butter" in the ingredients so they're not lying.

Remember that laws are pedantic, and if there isn't some strict regulation on how much % of something must have butter in order to legally be described as "made with butter", then adding a teaspoon of butter to the entire product and substituting the rest with palm oil is still technically "made with butter".

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah but there's more of it than butter.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

They're not going to list all the ingredients on the advertisement on the outside of the box.

That's what the ingredients list is for.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

I know. But it's still butter. So technically they still made it with butter. They never made any promises on the box of how much butter there'd be.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 84 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

The bad thing about palm oil isn't how unhealthy it is (because what it is replacing isn't healthy either); the bad thing is that palm farmers have destroyed many thousands of square miles of rain forest. When you fly from Singapore to Jakarta, virtually all rain forest you used to fly over is now palm. It's an unmitigated environmental disaster.

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