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Palm oil is a butter substitute. Every baked product at the grocery store that used to be made with butter is now made with palm oil, because it is cheaper. Palm oil is made up of long highly-saturated fatty acids that cause it to be solid at room temperature, giving it physical properties very similar to butter, making it suitable as a substitute. However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health. Butter is also saturated fat and is also somewhat bad, but palm oil is much worse because the varieties of fatty acids it contains are much different from animal fat fatty acids and the human body metabolizes them differently, so they have a much higher impact. Similar physical properties but worse health properties!

It is nearly impossible to find frozen baked goods that are still made with butter. This pie claims to be made with healthy ingredients, and specifically touts its butter content, but it conveniently omits mentioning palm oil entirely. Since palm oil appears first on the ingredients list before butter, that means there is more of it. Possibly almost the entire "butter-like" fraction of the pie consists of palm oil.

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health. I love apple pies and I was planning to eat this pie as my sole food over the course of 2 days for my One-Meal-A-Day (OMAD), but I'm not willing to risk eating palm oil. Thanks for nothing for getting my hopes up, pie box!

  • traditional wholesome German ingredients like palm oil
  • palm oil - just the way grandma used to make at home
  • contains memories of butter

I'm sure someone below will mention how palm oil is also bad for the environment and bad for the farmers and bad for the economy. I will only be answering questions about the film Rampart.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

Despite supplying over one-third of the world's vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

By that logic though, imagine how much land we could reclaim for other purposes (including reforestation) if we shifted more existing farmland towards palm oil.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

That’s not where palms grow.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

True. So reforest the land instead.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

so we've gotten a shitton better at aero- and hydroponics. can we grow the right palm tree in a greenhouse yet?

i'm in the california bay area so palm trees are more of a wealth indicator than a "hey they grow here" thing. but they're everywhere because people want to signal that they're wealthy, even if they aren't.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That will never be able to compete on price with clear cut rainforest land and trained primates doing the picking.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

nonsense this is statesia we got children

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

we make them. with environmental impact because you can't exist without it, but we do what we can to minimize it yes. We got a shitton of land out in texas that is being used as oilfields. get some environmental remediation out there first to make it suitable for farmland, use some of the grassy areas as well (not all we need the grassy areas), and there's a good quarter of that chunk at least.

and I'd bump that up to like 650million acres, because we're not using prime farmland to get this oil. yields will probably be less.

but like, the room to grow this is there. i drive by sunflower fields (that are either for oil or eating) fairly regularly.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok. Texas is 170M acres. We've allocated Texas, that's 30% of what we need. Which other US states can we sacrifice? :)

I'm liking this plan.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

i don't think missouri or mississippi would mind if we sacrificed them. but we're going to need 10 million acres from a few states each in europe to make this work i think.