The messenger is awful, but the message his correct: the US war criminals must be brought to justice.
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Whoever's idea it was to use fucking Grok for targeting with no human intervention. And the "haven't washed my hands in a decade" douchebag, Pete Kegsbreath.
The messenger is awful
I'll take ten Mojtaba Khameneis over one Pete Hegseth. Hell, I'll take a Khamenei over Keir Starmer, at this point.
Of course, he's little more than a figurehead under the current Iranian government, given that their Parliament can't safely convene and their military is fully operating via the Mosaic Strategy of decentralized retaliation against ongoing US/Israeli bombardment. I'm not sure why people have decided he's a bad leader, given that he hasn't made any meaningful leadership decisions since taking office.
But I guess he's Muslim and unseasonably tan, so that's enough to make him a bad guy.
I'm not sure why people have decided he's a bad leader, given that he hasn't made any meaningful leadership decisions since taking office.
Probably something to do with the fact that he was in a position to become the leader of such a repressive government to begin with. Maybe he will break with past policies and be a champion for women's rights and LGBTQ+ causes, but if someone was already tipped to take over the reigns of such a government, I assume vetting processes mean he's generally onboard with what the government was doing beforehand unless I see them taking actions that show otherwise. At this point, who knows how he'll be, as he's been set up with something of a PR softball in responding to an aggressive war lead by Israel and the US. Postwar, we'll see how he shakes out domestically.
That said, I'm still hoping the Iranians just trounce their enemies in this conflict. Whether he'll ultimately represent an improvement for the Iranian people over his predecessor or not has nothing to do with the fact that he's on the right side of the current conflict and crushing it at the moment.
I think it's a trap to think of countries which haven't been allowed to thrive by basically the entire west as failing on values that they virtually never think about. Is it really that surprising that sanctions lead to regression or stagnation on civil rights of minority groups? They have been under sanctions since 1979. In 1979 how did our LGBTQ+ representation look?
I'll be the first to accept that Iran, just like Cuba and any other country under long term sanctions from the US for refusing to kowtow to US demands, is essentially crippled from the start and unable to function as well as they could have without that ongoing interference. However, that doesn't negate things that they've done on their own, like harsh repression of protests or that lady who was sentenced to being whipped for singing a song without wearing a hijab the other day.
I'm basically saying that my view of him is like my view of whoever wound up being Putin's handpicked successor would be. I find them suspect by virtue of passing the screening process to even wind up in that position to begin with, and that will only change if they start taking actions that are at odds with their predecessors' once in power. If his other positions turn out to be even half as good as his stance against Israel and the US in the current war on Iran has been, I will be happy to realize that my suspicions were unfounded. At the same time, just because they're in the right on this specific topic doesn't mean they are flawless in other aspects. Like, the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church was surprisingly progressive for civil rights for African Americans for a white guy in Kansas in the 1960s, but you won't catch me singing Fred Phelps' praises in light of all the other heinous stuff he's done in his life.
I'll take a Khamenei over Keir Starmer
I'd take a khamenei ruling under current day British law over keir starmer ruling under the current day judicial system of the Islamic Republic of Iran though. Be careful what you wish for.
I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.
People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.
I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.
You're allowed to not like both of them
If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.
Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”
Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.
I’m against that too, but not wearing hijab is not a capital offense in Iran.
The famous case of Masa Amini was a case of resisting arrest gone wrong and she died from police brutality. Saying she was killed for not wearing hijab is like saying Eric Garner was killed for not paying taxes; it’s an incomplete story.
There is already sanctions on Iran related to human right abuses by countries backing a genocidal state with weapons and diplomatic protection. Israel and the usa are the countries that are not getting punished
Before blaming the current Iranian government of killing its own people, one should remember it was the US made it possible for them to come to power. By fomenting unrest against a democratically elected government which was as western as possible.
We shouldn'tve meddled, but I can still blame theocratic authoritarians for being theocratic authoritarians who abuse and murder protesters
Don't forget the Brits!
How can one forget them, from the 1st World War to all the conflicts in Africa and Middle East you can find their hands in everything. Present Palestinian conflict is a gift that gives on giving.
Fair. But let's not forget all of their own people they killed. Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei should all share a cell in The Hague.
let’s not forget all of their own people they killed
It was crazy to hear US news reporting "Iran has killed 30k, 50k, 90k of their own people!!" based on unnamed sources and Facebook memes. Meanwhile, the journalists on the ground in Gaza reporting on the genocide were systematically assassinated by the Israeli government, while hospitals were obliterated, and communications severed. And the US national media response became "information is unreliable so we're just not going to say a number anymore".
I wonder how many Iranians killed during the current US/Israel air raids and infrastructure annihilation will be retroactively counted as "The Iranians killed themselves", once American journalists finally make their way back into the country.
Afaik neither Iran, not Israel, nor the US recognize the ICC nor the ICJ. Their leaders should stop bitching about who committed what war crime and just go to jail already.
Yeah, but most of the World does, which means that the American and Israeli leadership shouldn't be able to travel to most of the World or even fly over most of the World without getting arrested (if those countries actually properly abided by that treaty, which many don't).
Every single UN Member State is subject to the ICJ. The ICC is another story though.
Fuck all the goverments who oppress their citizens or the whole world so that a few can cling to power. In US it is the billionaires in Russia or Iran it is the supreme leaders in Israel it is the members of a society. US/Israel/Russia can afford to be a world-wide menace because they have the power to back that up. Believe me the religious supreme leaders of Iran would be doing similar shit had they the same power and leverage as US. They would be quite happy to use religion as an excuse to wage a holy war. They all deserve to rot in the same cesspit and they are not your friends.
He is still right, here. There has to be consequences for Israel and USA, whichever form that may take. Iran didn't start any of these fucking wars. Their leadership is evil, period, doesn't mean that they are wrong in point.
Wouldn't it be funny if Iran joined the ICC? They won't otherwise they'd pretty quickly have to answer for all the executions they are perpetrating, but still, it would be funny.
True.
Ok but good luck in US courts.
The US was very happy to use the ICJ for their cases against Iran in the 80s
Agreed. Someone(s) should be made to answer for all that murder. Laws and common decency need to matter again.