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Boy, that makes you wonder.

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

Terrorism is mostly a scam to justify a lot of things sane and informed citizens would never support.

[–] webkitten@piefed.social 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

The US is better at creating terrorism than it is stopping it

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 5 hours ago

Leave it to the trained professionals.

[–] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I heard that ism shit was actually Israel...

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Of course, because that was never its real purpose.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 18 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It doesn't make us wonder at all. If you were old enough and paying attention after September 11th, you would have heard many people saying that the point point of the expanded powers was to take freedom away from Americans, and not to keep anyone safe.

[–] TrippingBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Never let a good crisis go to waste

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago

They've never done ANYTHING to keep us safe. If they cared at all about that, the first thing they'd do is give us Universal Health Care.

The ONLY thing that matters in the United States of Ferengenar is Profit. Any safety benefit that arose out of the pursuit of profit was simply a happy accident. If those benefits are found to be using profits, they will be removed.

[–] garbage_world@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It stopped attacks from entering the planning stage and made the "job" of terrorists harder.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I suppose the better word would be it never "caught" a single planned act. Your point can be taken that it is impossible to prove whether or not it stopped an attack due to deterrence effect of awareness of the surveillance. Though I would argue that it would have simply made them more guarded and difficult to monitor (using E2E encryption, etc), and so the effect is that only carefree generally lawful folks actually got caught up in the surveillance.

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It was never about antiterrorism; it's all about controlling the population.

The Cons DID call themselves domestic terrorists...

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Terrorism is such a helpful tool, that if there weren't terrorists, they'd invent them.

And they do. Witness MAGA's obsession with manifesting ANTIFA out of thin air.

[–] Uair@autistics.life 1 points 5 hours ago

@BarneyPiccolo @switcheroo

Step back a bit. America probably gave the Saudi royals a trillion dollars over the decades, which they used to spread militant Wahibism across the Middle East.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 34 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

osama bin laden may be dead but he won with 911. Basically got us to destroy our own democracy.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (4 children)
[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

what was al-qaeda mostly funding then

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Is it not common knowledge that most of the hijackers were Saudi, and trained and funded by Saud? Didn't the 9/11 commission more or less say the whole thing was the Saudis?

[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Mother of God, is this a joke? I read that interview a couple of times thinking maybe there is some loophole like "I wasn't involved in the killing , but definitely was there in the planning" kind of catch, but nope.

Did I just read propaganda or did the US really kill a guy not involved in 9/11?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The tricky part is if someone is ok with killing thousands of people, then one could imagine they might not be totally truthful in an interview.

Biggest point toward taking someone at their word is that usually the point is to take credit, to let people know why it happened and what you wanted to change to prevent it from happening again. On the other hand, this was after USA made it clear that the answer was to just be angry and inflict more violence and interference in the middle east, so it might cause someone to switch strategies to try to defuse the situation even if they started it.

Short answer, no way of knowing what to think of the interview in and of itself.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't al quaeda in the habit of claiming responsibility for pretty much every terrorist attack around that time regardless of their involvement? It would still be a little out of character to deny responsibility if they actually were. But most of the hijackers were Saudi, and Saudi trained and funded, so clearly the answer was to start a war in Iraq.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Well, that was the point in my second paragraph, usually they took credit, but they might have changed their mind realizing that it brought down a more violent response than they might have expected.

The Iraq theory problem is that even with a trigger-happy, iraq hating administration, they justified action in Afghanistan instead, and used a different theory to eventually attack Iraq. If the goal was Iraq, then they should have tried to pin it on Hussein instead.

All in all, it's just too murky to assert a certain narrative to go through it all.

[–] MrOtingocni@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Lol, first time?

You should read up on how we did Sadam. The US diplo April Glass gave tacit approval for his occupation of Kuwait and we then used that as a reason to retaliate and stabbed him in the back to get the oil.

Even better, you should look up how we completely fabricated a boogeyman out of Gaddafi.

Everything that reaches the ears of the public is a lie.

It's all propaganda on all sides. Some of it is true. Some of it isn't.

Apparently it was so obvious that the news anchors new it was OBL within minutes

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Not for me and at least one other. Try via VPN.

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[–] 404found@lemmy.zip 14 points 19 hours ago

DOGE must have gutted those involved in overseeing this then right?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

They could at least stage a false flag and pretend like any of it worked. Its all a big evil clownshow run with our money.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 168 points 1 day ago (65 children)

Also fun: your own household furnishings or a toddler with a gun were always a greater danger to you than terrorism, speaking in terms of probabilities.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

imagines his sofa armed with a glock

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

JD Vance better watch out.

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[–] core@leminal.space 144 points 1 day ago (8 children)

It was never about terrorism. The govt saw a chance to leapfrog citizen surveillance by years instead of a steady profession and jumped at it so hard it wasn't even subtle.

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