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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 340 points 2 months ago (90 children)

restaurants are fighting back

Unless it's by raising their prices by 15-20% and paying their employees a living wage, it ain't gonna work. Tipping is moronic.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago (9 children)

That’s essentially what they’re doing, but with a surcharge rather than just raising their menu because we love adding on tax and fees here in the US

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It’s a bad deal that only policy could really fix at this point.

If you’re the only store with real menu prices then customers just get price shocked at what they’re actually going to be paying when they can go next door to another restaurant that doesn’t tell you the full price up front. Customers would be upset at a mid $18 burger, but are fine with a mid $16 burger + $2 tip.

Imo, the problems stem from the forced rat race of no one having enough money excluding the rich. Prices being high wouldn’t matter if people got paid more, but cause we’re not getting paid more, the companies that target the general population just make everything into cheap knockoff crap to still turn the same or better profit margins.

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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

They'll raise their prices and give the employees nothing, just wait and see.

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[–] fisch@lemmy.world 172 points 2 months ago (29 children)

It's not my fucking job to make sure your workers are paid appropriately. I came here for a fucking steak and some freedom fries. I paid for my fucking food and I just want to eat it in peace. Stop turning your problems into my problems.

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[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 151 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I wish this exposed tipping culture for what it is, but America is so deep in capitalism that you'll hear more complaints against this.

[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 88 points 2 months ago (55 children)

It's so fucking stupid

Just raise the prices by 20% and also pay the staff 20% more.

But fuck workers' rights and living wages, right?

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They wouldn’t need to raise prices that much.

During the Obamacare debate the Papa John’s CEO was upset that he would have to raise pizza prices a few cents to pay for the health insurance his workers need. Wealthy people are psychopaths.

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[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 148 points 2 months ago (122 children)

What did you expect? They come from non tipping cultures. Where wait staff make livable wages. Not their fault we are incapable of paying people enough to live.

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[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 123 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The cash registers are ringing, the beer is flowing and the tables are full.

So there is money to pay staff, right?

[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 months ago
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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 114 points 2 months ago

Should we pay an actual wage?

NO! ITS EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE WRONG!

[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 103 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fuck american tipping culture… Pay your staff fair…

[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 92 points 2 months ago (13 children)

America once again showing the world what a dystopian shit show it is. People are travelling to what they think is a developed country and so rightly assume all workers are paid a decent wage. Certainly European visitors would assume that. Highlights once again the need for a minimum wage and union support for workers.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 88 points 2 months ago

#PAY YOUR FUCKING STAFF

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago (6 children)

How is adding a required 20% gratuity to a bill at a restaurant not false advertising? The restaurant advertises the food costs X dollars, then you get your bill and it's now 20% higher?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 82 points 2 months ago

Fighting back against what? Pay your employees.

[–] Jason@feddit.uk 80 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh what ever shall we do? The cash registers are bursting with cash due to the influx of visitors... but they're not tipping the servers.

I see absolutely no way that employers could make the situation fairer for servers, even if it were only for the duration of the event.

Gosh, if only there were some way!

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[–] Jimbel@lemmy.world 80 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pay wages wtf. Usa sucks so hard

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Protecting the waiters and barkeepers from what? If they just had normal minimum wage rules, and service was included in the price, they would not need "protection" from a self-inflicted problem.

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[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.

Also, can't see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda's. Kind of the same job and effort.

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[–] Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not "culture" it's unfettered capitalism. Make your staff beg your customers for their wage instead of paying it yourself, great for bosses.

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Welcome to America, where we subsidize poverty level wages by adding 20-30% to your bill!

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago (28 children)

No one should tip anyone. Tipping supports wage theft. If no one tipped, business models that depend on tipping would find no one to hire, so they'd be forced out of business, or need to start paying something closer to a living wage. Yes, this would happen on the backs of those currently working such jobs, but if nothing ever changes, then nothing ever changes.

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[–] redwattlebird@thelemmy.club 57 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I visited the US 3 years ago and tipping was a bloody pain in the bum. It added probably 20min to our meal as the waiters took a while to get change. Further, asking every 15 minutes how our meal was going was quite exhausting; mainly because we knew it was performative for more tips. We tipped 20% each time but it's really, really frustrating not knowing the price up front.

Back home, I'm used to paying up front and then leaving as soon as we're done. Waiters leave you alone, unless you're a regular, and ask you how the meal was at the till if you pay after.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 53 points 2 months ago (42 children)

Just auto include a 20% tip in every purchase, include that in the price, and don't leave an option for tips. Done. Problem solved.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

In that case just put that price on the menu like they do in other places. Including taxes in the price would help with the confusion too.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Didn't know this was a hot take but America hasn't provided tip worthy service for decades.

I would even wager that Gen Z and A would be blown away to see the level of service quality something like the boomer generation experienced.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 49 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A tip in America hasn't been a "bonus for good service" in decades; its the server's wage.

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[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 43 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Yea, because tipping is intended to be optional.

The mere fact of trying to pressure or force the tipping will make sure I regard the service as not tip worthy.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

"European restaurants pay staff like any other profession and workers don’t rely on tips, so customers assume they’ve already paid for service".

Europeans are right on this one. The more years go by, the more I find tipping to be ridiculous. Tell me upfront what you expect, then I'll choose where to eat. Managers must adapt to customers, not us do their minimum wage employment practice.

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[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 months ago

They should try to change this terrible custom

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh right cause they come from civilized countries where people actually get payed. I get both sides but the system is the enemy, not the people.

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[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 37 points 2 months ago

Imagine the price being.. You know.. The price...

[–] Thrife@feddit.org 37 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Greetings from Europe, we're not baffled. We just don't play your game. Start paying your workers properly.

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[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (7 children)

We come from nations where staff get paid at least the minimum wage and don't rely on tips to make it up to that.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Fck the NY Post! It is a tRumpian rag not worthy of fishwrap.

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 32 points 2 months ago

Maybe if the US paid a decent minimum wage...

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 months ago

The cash registers are ringing, the beer is flowing and the tables are full.

I live in KC. The restaurants are not full. I’ve seen article after article about how lodging reservations were low before the tournament and now that it’s started, no one is filling restaurants.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article316182333.html

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think that most folk from outside america have a better wage structure than the old usa and tipping culture isn't a thing with them. I could be wrong though...greed and "business" transcend borders.

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