Late Stage Capitalism

this is a bullshit argument

one side in US politics is pretty ANTI death camp while the other is very much PRO death camp. lesser evil voting in this case is ANTI death camp

you putz

This is a false premise. Instead of choosing which evil we want to accept, we can choose which evil we prefer to resist.

You vote for the lesser evil because that's the limit of what you can achieve in the voting booth. But voting isn't the only thing you can do to change society, obviously. I think these kinds of posts are missing the bigger picture

...but you don't live in a world where one party is building 50 and the other 51. That's just a strawman to avoid taking responsibility for having to choose between the actual options, not the options you wish you had.

This is how you know someone only cares about their own moral superiority complex and is the type of person that loves handing out arbitrary purity tests.

People like you are actually just at harmful to left wing goals as any fascist or neoliberal. You are the rot from within.

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Idk, if given the choice between 50 death camps or 51 death camps, it would be pretty fucked up to choose 51.

Problem solved! We'll all just go...not vote?

Hmmm...that doesn't seem right. Doesn't that let all the people who really want to vote for the 51 death camps decide who's in charge then?

Vote local, vote to end FPTP.

For the love of Christ. If it comes down to 50 death camps vs 51 death camps and you couldn't muster up enough loud vocal grass roots support for 'no death camps' to make it feel like there is even an outside chance of winning enough that people don't feel that they have to vote for the lesser 50, then maybe you should examine why that is. I'm tired of this stupid fucking argument.

You only say that because you want the 51 death camps party to win.

We need a revolution 🇦🇱✊🏼nothing will improve until the pedophile class lives in fear

Tell me, what's the alternative?

I don't see one. You're just fucking grandstanding.

So, I'm what, supposed to not vote at all?

Then the actual evil will win

Biden admitted he didn't want the DOJ to go after Trump for sedition in a hope for bipartsianship. He could have released the Epstein files then unredacted but didn't. He has a history of voting for federal increases to police budgets, he was the sponsor on the bill making it nearly impossible to discharge federal student loans in bankruptcy. And that's just Biden.

What to know what's most damning about the Democrats? In the build up to this situation, through it all, when they had enough power to do something they didn't do it. Obama could of put in changes to federal student loans but didn't, they were a problem way before then. They had decades to codify Roe vs Wade into law instead of a supreme court ruling.

At best they're inactive and inattentive.

Damn election season already?

Lesser evil voting is simply the limited options given to us under a broken system.

Until the system can be broken, I'd still rather attempt to cause less harm and impede the organization to break the system as little as possible.

I'll vote for the least establishment option amongst our de-facto options presented when it's time to vote. In the meantime I'll help with organizing, with advocacy, with 3rd party groups, with building alternatives to our capitalist system to support the revolution when it's time.

Would you rather me not vote and allow one more to not be countered towards the more establishment option that would work towards pulling back our rights even faster?

There shouldn't be any death camps, fucking obviously, but that would be 1 less we have to destroy in the coming days. Work to break the system so we don't have death camps, but also work to slow it down as much as possible so we have less to fight to break the system.

If I did something to prevent the fifty first death camp and you did nothing, I will sleep soundly.

Show me a path to 0 death camps and I will work towards it.

Unfortunately unhelpful when the greater evil is so extremely evil, so the only choice is to either vote against the greater evil or not vote at all (or at least not have any likelihood at all that your vote will make any difference).

Especially with the electoral college for president there really is no other choice in the US. There is no chance of a third party since if one of the three doesn't get a majority, then the winner is determined by those already in power. And most other federal elections there's very little chance of a third parry with no huge pool of money from one of the two parties actually winning. It happens, but very rarely and most who win these days were already in their positions before the removal of caps on corporate cash and the idea that corporations have human rights was ingrained by our corrupted Supreme Court.

That’s not the point. The point is to move toward a better party. On every vote you move towards a better outcome.

The options at the moment are bad or total destruction. Let’s vote for bad so we have some chance to go for something better.

All this argument you have does is make less people vote for so we move towards total destruction faster.

Time to vote for Jill stein I guess