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In my opinion when I buy a game on Steam then Steam is the first party launcher for me.

Doesn't matter if the game is developed/published by EA, Rockstar, Ubisoft, or whatever.

I'm paying money to Steam, I'm getting game files from Steam, that makes it first party launcher.

Other companies are taking advantage of their role as developer/publisher to insert their own launcher to force me to create an account on their service.

But on Reddit (🤮) I see people calling Steam as third party launcher.

Am I wrong or redditors are wrong?

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You are wrong. The company that makes the game is the first party. You are the second party. If the launcher wasn't made by the first party, then it is run by a third party.

[–] axh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn, now I need to write my own launcher, just to have the unique second party launcher

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Huh. I guess you could consider GeForce Now a second party launcher.

So valve games are first party if played on steam hehe

[–] Krusty@quokk.au 3 points 1 day ago

This guy parties.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I would disagree. I think Steam's definition is reasonable. The launcher you are intentionally using (i.e. you bought the game there and initially launched it from there) is the first party. Any other launchers are third party.

Now, if you're looking at the game's product page on the publisher's website, that changes things. In that case, I'd say they're justified in saying something like "available on these third-party launchers: Steam, GOG."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Steam is a 3rd party launcher except in the case for Valve's own developed games. I don't think you really understand what 1st and 3rd party mean here.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

steam is a third party launcher, unless youre playing a. valve published game.

steam launching a paradox game first launches the paradox launcher.

Steam is the third party launcher. Paradox is the first party launcher.

[–] Skyline969@piefed.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This post, man.

OP: “Am I wrong or is Reddit?”

Everyone: “You are wrong”

OP: “NO U”

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even on Steam pages of games like NFS and Assassin's Creed it says 'requires 3rd party account' so I'm pretty sure I'm right. 😎

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago

That's because companies that arnt steam are third party to steam. And steam is third party to companies that arnt steam.

You might just be stupid and not know how the concept of context sensitivity works...

[–] Skyline969@piefed.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally only you thinks so. Everyone else thinks you’re an idiot.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only me and Steam's legal team 😎

Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

[–] Skyline969@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Third party relative to Steam in those screenshots. Steam is a third party launcher relative to the developer of the game you wanna play, Valve notwithstanding.

Buddy, either you’re weakly trolling or your parents are biologically related.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world -2 points 1 day ago

Third party relative to Steam in those screenshots

Yeah you fucking idiot. That's what I'm saying. These launchers are inserting themselves in the process without any reason.

Go fuck yourself shitbrain.

[–] EtherTide@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What, then, is a third party launcher to you? How many launchers do you know of that allow you to launch games that you bought somewhere else? I can think of only that one Linux launcher I can't remember the name of. Maybe you would count GOG Galaxy, because you can add non GOG games to it, but I'm like 85% sure you can do the same thing on Steam.

I think that Steam IS a third-party launcher. It started as a first-party launcher for valve games. Nowadays, though, they (the third party) allow you (the first party) to buy and launch games from unrelated publisher and developers (the second parties).

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 1 day ago

How many launchers do you know of that allow you to launch games that you bought somewhere else?

Oh, plenty. Lutris, Heroic, even Steam.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Other companies are taking advantage of their role as developer/publisher to insert their own launcher to force me to create an account on their service

Friend, no one is forcing you do anything. Steam isn’t being “taken advantage of.” That’s how Steam sells you the game, and if Valve didn’t like it, they wouldn’t list the game in the first place.

You don’t like it? Don’t make an account, refund the game.

[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First Party title is the one who develops it. The Second Party is the Publisher/Distributor of the product. The First party can choose to Self Publish/Distribute, but that would make them still a First Party. The majority of professionally made games are Published or Distributed by third parties, often for partial or complete funding of the game while in development. The Third Party is the one who you typically buy a game from. But not only ones that you buy a game from. The other form of 'parties' comes from not the business side of things but from the consumer side. The deal is between you and who you buy the game from. That could be the developer but more typically is from a digital store like Steam, Epic, GOG, and so on. In that case Steam would be the First Party and you would be the Second Party and if you installed something like Playnite that would be a Third Party Launcher. Then further on you have the "Game Keys" route where the parties change again.

The whole thing is that the "First Party" and so on comes from contract law in businesses that bled into common usage especially with how common First, Second, Third Person was with video game characters point of view, although it is entirely different. Who is First or Third party is entirely based upon point of view and relativity which is why they actually spell out which is which and what they mean by it in the beginning of legal documents.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You've added a lot of false assumptions to make this overly complicated and wrong.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world -1 points 1 day ago

I've posted another comment explaining my opinion from consumer POV.