Yes please lets have a semantic debate in which no one defines their terms
this post was submitted on 06 Jun 2026
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truth isn't subjective, but perspective changes how you see something.
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It's rather curious how those people who claim truth is subjective never do it for gravity, jumping off a high building while claiming "gravity is false for me". Because guess what, odds are they know it's bullshit.
You might have to goad them a bit with "it's only a theory"
I doubt you've come across someone who claims that all truth is subjective all the time in all scenarios.
The example you give isn't an example of subjective truth, it's an example of wilful/conscious control of reality, which isn't the same thing.
I also doubt you've met anyone that claims truth is subjective to their will at any time they choose.
It's entirely possible, but unlikely.
Someone on earth vs someone on the ISS have different gravitational experiences for instance.
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In Einstein's general relativity, different observers can disagree about the order of timed events, so long as their individual stories don't violate causality. This is broadly known as the Relativity of Simultaneity.
[Warning: bar philosophy. Might include ramblings, booze, chain smoking, and fried snacks.]
And yet, gravity is still there.
Even if simultaneity is relative, the phenomenon is still there, you know? You can claim something fell before or after another event, but you can't really claim it didn't fall. And you can't claim two simultaneous events stopped being simultaneous if they're stationary for you, so it's less of a "truth is relative to ME! ME! ME!" and more of a "truth is relative to that speed". It's still an objective matter, not a subjective one.
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Science routinely solves problems like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51
In some sense this is the very heart of science: taking disparate views of the world and drawing likely conclusions that are testable and reproducible.
Genuinely though, English seems to lack the distinction between truth (the absolute state of something being universally true), truth (something that is correct from some point of view) and truth (an idea someone is dedicated to).
Some other languages have different words for these "truths". You could say that first is truth, second is perspective, and third is an idea, but all three can be named "truth", which can easily spark a debate over simple misunderstanding of what you mean, exactly.
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what, you ain't familiar with the double cylinder experiment?
The only thing you know is that you know nothing. Really a pointless conversation unless you wanted to circle jerk on Lemmy. oh wait
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The twist:
It’s actually a flat piece of paper.
Ceci n'est pas une pipe
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The object's ness is objective. The projection is your own dumbass ways of perceiving it because you lack the ability to objectively observe.
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