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[–] dr_robotBones@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago

1988 has the best contrast, I like that.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

1998 not only had the best scrollbar, but the best UI overall. Shoulda just stopped then and we would have utopia by now

I'd say 2001 and 2006 purely because the scrollbar is textured in a way that make it seem dragable at first glance |=|.

Which is standard by now but still, besides that 1998 has all the other visual cues to denote what's clickable and i would otherwise agree as i generally prefer flatter designs.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I miss my big chonky scroll bars. now they hide them.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Search for "Always show scroll bars" in settings

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

that'd be helpful if they were wider than 5px.

I'm in my 50s with macular degeneration so seeing small things can be difficult.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah they're not great in that regard. Still, i'd expect a setting in accessibility to help with this. I'm not near a computer now but i'll look next time

It never got better than 1998

[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 131 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I hate the modern ones you need to hover above so they even display, and then it's 1 pixel wide and a shade of grey that's about 2% darker than white.
Less functional and 500 lines of js garbage.

[–] chisel@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's a few lines of css, no JS required.

.my-div:hover {
  overflow-x: scroll;
}

And the look and feel of the scrollbar is generally determined by the browser/OS. Unless someone does a custom scrollbar implementation, but that is exceedingly rare. So that thin rounded gray bar is a browser/OS design, again, without any JS.

If these kids could read, they would be very upset!

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can style the native scrollbars with css now

[–] chisel@piefed.social 1 points 18 hours ago

Oh, interesting, that's pretty new. Technically it's not an official part of the W3C spec yet, but it's close enough that browsers support it now. Though, it only allows you to control the bar color, track color (which is generally invisible nowadays, so track color changes nothing), and width. So, yes, more customization than was there before, but still extremely minimal.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know about scrollbars specifically, but apparently a lot of windows 11 is written in react

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s the start menu that’s written in react.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And Microsoft Store. And the weather. And also in that edition that literally just launches a browser into a remote machine, they decided to make the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu also a browser. For some reason.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now you can't even find the fucking thing when you need it. Thanks, "UX design".

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

UX, whatsat?

Also, it completely disappears after a second.

And why is it a different color on the addons page anyway??

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I didn't try it yet, have this open for a while now. 😅
Supposedly, it allows to locate the searched folder, which native only recently added as a context menu.

[–] postcapitalism@lemmy.today 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like how they added some grip between 2001 - 2009 so you would have some traction when you used then

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

My cursor kept slipping off them all the time anyway 😢

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

1998 was truly the best time. When all OS widgets looked the same. And could be used in apps, and everything had a consistent look. Yeah you could override this in your app. But fuck people who did that. Everything looked so nice and uniform and you knew what to expect from a widget and its look and behavior. Get off my lawn.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago

That reminds me.

Haven't whipped my llama's ass in a while.

[–] poinck@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To me, they are just indicators of how much content I can expect. I scroll with the mouse wheel or using the page down/up keys. I don't grab the thing. I only need to see the indicator when I am scrolling.

But I wonder whether there is a accesibility aspect to always visible and wide scrollbars. I think, the best way to deal with it, is to make it an option how they look and behave.

[–] anugeshtu@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What about some scrollable window with something like 10k+ lines, though? Sure, if you have a mouse with a free-spinning function, it's still doable, but a draggable scrollbar comes in handy then.

[–] poinck@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Maybe a smart way to handle that would be to show a wide scrollbar when there is so much content? Idk.

I would probably expect filters that are always visible regardless at which line I am currently. Sadly, this isn't the case very often and I have to go back to the top and apply the filters.

Touchscreens don't have wheels on them. Styluses/pens also don't (usually). The latter usually acts more as a mouse than a touchscreen in software, so you can't scroll by dragging the page.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 day ago

2012? Elder? Cmon, it wasn't that long ago... wait... no...

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Do you remember the feel of switching from 1998 to 2001? It felt like stepping into the future.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

imho the clustered version of the scroll bar buttons (like in Amiga Workbench 2.0+, Macintosh OS, macOS, KDE) make way more sense to me (minimal mouse movement to change scroll direction) than this spread out layout.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OS X Lion apparently forgot to add the scroll bar entirely

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[–] zonklezoop@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

2009, pls.

But I guess with the end caps from 2006.

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[–] Spooge@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago
[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I love how 1998 looks. It is clean and servers the purpose. 2001-2009 feel over designed, 1988 and 2012 not sure whether the dark part is the scroller or the light part lol.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Definitely either 88 or 98. Large, very visible, no bullshit. I prefer 98, but would also be perfectly happy with 88. The reason I like 98 better than 88 is because 98, while not as high of contrast, is closer to if it's physically there, with shadows and stuff, and therefore visually faster recognizable as a scroll bar, it's more intuitive.

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Give me 98 with the little lines of the next 3. I think it enhances noticeability quite a lot without adding a distracting amount of contrast

[–] los_chill@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Agree. 98 with grip would be my ideal.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And then they got thinner every year while screens got wider..

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

But our eyes cant see more than a few pixels wide anyways!

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What was wrong with the high contrast of 1988?

It is at home in both light and dark mode

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My only criticism is lack of affordance on the slider. Is the dark part the slider or the light part? Some of the newer ones have the little ridges for "traction".

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The issue with 1988 is that it isn't intuitive what the background color is, and thus if the bar is up or down.

The middle years are obvious because of the 3d effect. The last one is obvious because the background is the same for both the arrows and the bar.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I think the last one is less obvious.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

1998 was in my formative years with computers, so I will always be partial to it. Xfce can get pretty close.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

1988 still the best one, somehow

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By 2026 AI does the scrolling for you, a feature made mandatory (all scrollbars removed) in 2028 😭

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