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He's wrong, of course. Trump is the purest expression of conservative principles we've ever seen.
Reactionary, exclusionary, hateful. What higher conservative principles are there right?
That’s all big tent stuff. If you really look at the core, foundational, pillar of conservatism- it’s protectionism. The “fuck you I got mine,” principle. Ensuring the status quo for wealth holders.
That would fall under exclusionary. But you're not wrong. Sad thing is they lie to their voters and tell them that they will be part of the in group. As they proceed to exclude them over and over and over again.
Trump says all the quiet things out loud. The things you'd hear at the country club and black tie events. Things that Mike Pence thinks but won't say out loud, even though most of his conservative brethren have been since Trump made it acceptable.
He's such a fascinating paradox. He's pure id, so he lies constantly, but he also constantly blurts out the truth because he's too stupid to know when it's a smart time to lie and when it's a smart time to shut the fuck up.
He’s banking on, and probably mildly correct, that there’s voters who want to go back to that era and like MTG, want to distance themselves from Trump and his methods but not the power/results. He’ll never get anywhere though. They’ve sold their souls 3x to support Trump and will again rather than risk splitting conservatism and creating openings for opposition to win.
Trump brand conservatism appeals to everyone from Boomers yearning for a return to the privilege of mid-century America to Gen Zs who think mid-century America was the Golden Age it’s said to be and that they’ve been denied. Nobody wants a polite, stick-up-his-ass, Victorian sensibility patriarch that has the personality of wet cardboard.
Took "I got mine" to the next level.
He's unpopular, which Republicans will insist means he's not conservative enough
This loser enabled all of it and only got cold feet when the mob came for him.
Now we’re supposed to sympathize with his milquetoast denials? Show me a shred of actual resistance to the fascist hell you helped create.
I don’t care if the MAGAs do hang Mike Pence.
It’s also thanks to this asshole that we have a lot of the conservative federal judges that we do across the country. Fuck this Christian Nationalist piece of shit.
He waited for months after J6 to see which way the wind was blowing, never forget that
It's weird that it took you so long to speak out. They tried to hang you Mike. You're a spineless soulless amoral fuck regardless, but dude, come the fuck on
I watched him on Meet The Press this morning, and what an out of touch loser he is. He still thinks that people are going to rally behind his return to Conservative Principles, not understanding that the Republican Party no longer exists. That was just the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
You'd think he'd understand that, since on the day they made that metamorphosis - January 6, 2021 - he was there, and was a prime target of the MAGA Mob.
Instead of being vocally in conflict with MAGA, he just trotted out out the tired old conservative tropes about radical left liberals, Socialism, gender politics, etc. whining about how that's what Dems are all about, when it's MAGAs like him that won't stop talking about it. Dems want to talk about crushing MAGA, health care, affordability, etc., but MAGAs don't want to talk about the real issues Dems want to talk about, MAGAs only want to discuss their fake issues.
This guy came off as another lost old school conservative, who still thinks they can go back to the good old Reagan days. Just go back to the country club and drink highballs with Newt Gingrich and John Cornyn, and whine about how the younger generation doesn't respect them.
He's just noticing this now? He didn't notice this when a mob of them erected a scaffold, carried signs that stated their intention to hang him, and stormed the building he was in?
Has departed...... Bitch, it never had those values, you gotta have values to depart from them.
I dunno. They still seem pretty racist to me.
wow, took this long AFTER HIS GOONS RIOTED TO HANG YOU to make that connection mike?
goddamn I do believe pence may be dumber than trump.
He was riding the clown train hoping it would put him front and center when it failed. Not a horrible plan. But it didn't go that way and now he will go down in history as one who assisted in bringing it to fruition.
They have departed from any kind of principles. The administration is focused on corruption and grifting.
How brilliant. 10 years after the rest of us called it the alt-right. Ever heard of Liz Cheney?
Got something on your nose there, Mike.
Oh. It doesn’t come off. I see.
Evangelicals are cancer
That is surprisingly literally true.
Ronald Reagan was a actor, not at all a factor
Just an employee of the country's real masters
Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters
If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic
Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Gaddafi?
We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
They only love the rich and how they loathe the poor
If I say any more they might be at my door
I saw that interview, and he's always been an arrogant, out-of-touch religious whackjob, but now you can add pathetic to the list.
He still thinks he can convince drooling MAGAs to follow him on his quest to return to Core Conservative Principles, but he didn't do it by explaining what Core Conservative Principles are, and how MAGA doesn't respect them. He just went right to spewing the same old tired Conservative Propaganda Machine tropes about left-wing radicals, gender, blah, blah, blah, it's so boring.
He hasn't realized something that everybody on the outside knows: The Republican Party is dead. That was just the larval stage before it morphed into their final form - MAGA. Anybody who would buy into his lame old list of conservative whines, has already turned MAGA, and they ain't coming back.
And MAGA literally tried to murder him. Yet instead of attacking them, and showing the right how MAGA is wrong for the party, America, and the World, and they need to return to true Conservatism, he just attacks Democrats with the same old MAGA complaints they've always had. It turns out righties actually wanted something other that a smaller government and lower taxes, they wanted to indulge their hatred even more, and that feels GOOD. Why should they support Pence, when they are already supporting someone who is following through with what they truly want?
On the positive side, a return to Core Conservative Principles would create a completely separate party from MAGA, and I strongly encourage him to do that. He can take all the Righties who want to go back to the good old days of Reagan, and Trump can get all the MAGAs, and we can have a 3 Party system, with the right wing split between the Sociopaths, and the Psychopaths.
Democrats: "Oh thank God for this new party, I was worried I'd have to vote for a progressive!"
Have they? They have started doing it with no deception. They are just doing the bad stuff and not trying to hide it. Regressives have always said one thing and done another. Now they are just doing the hateful stuff without any speed bumps.
LOL.
ROTFLMAO, even.
Fucking conservatives always pull this No True Conservative bullshit when a con's poll numbers start to flag....
Because just like it is with Communists, conservatism can never fail, it's just that people fail conservatism.
This claim that so-and-so has failed conservatism in some way is as predictable as the tides.
Yeah, it's always just that we need MORE of it, then things will be great! For reals, this time! Tax cuts and deregulation, just gotta keep doing it, hasn't ever worked yet and things have gotten progressively worse doing it, but just hang in there, one more (R) president and recession/depression, and it'll turn around!
the leaning tower of shit has never had any 'principles', conservative or otherwise---except those that fill his bank accounts with other peoples' money.
Tumor complains that stage 4 cancer has "departed" from malignant principles.
Lol, these clowns. They pushed for this. This monster was inevitable in their quest for populist control. The problem was it got away from them, so they all ran away and then acted like they had nothing to do with summoning it.
I mean, conservatives have departed from principles. And it's not recent
I love how they claim to be "fiscal conservatives" when every R president drives up the national debt. There's nothing conservative about the so-called conservatives.
This is what you guys wanted, this was your end game for decades now. You're just mad it wasn't someone more savvy so as not to fuck over everything at once.
They embraced them whole hog. Ignorant turd.
Imagine if someone tried to have you murdered by a mob and this was the harshest criticism you could come up with.
Fuck you. Trump is a SYMPTOM of all that went wrong during and after Reagan.
Would you like a glass of water with that jar of mayo?
Former Vice President Mike Pence said Sunday that President Donald Trump’s second administration has “departed” from traditional conservative principles.
Not like the first administration was any better Mike. But nice job trying to give yourself political cover for your blame in what has happened to this country over the last ~10 years. You might have done the right thing in the end, but you had a good 3.5 years before that to stiffen that back bone up and you didn't until you saw the literal gallows sitting outside the senate offices.
What principles?
Did they, though?
He's costing rich people money!
But more importantly his polling is down.
But The Dow!