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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

I thought the Dutch were the reasonable ones

Did I see one of those cops yanking on the woman's hair? Jesus, buddy

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Are the Dutch hiring ICE agents or a football hooligans?

[–] lena 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Fucking pieces of shit. Lowest of the low. I hope he lives a miserable life and dies alone.

[–] Prikkeres@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago
[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago
[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

ACAB applies globally

[–] texture@lemmy.world 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen so many police brutality videos. They never get easier. Fuck.

[–] lemonSqueezy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Agree, there are absolutely horrible police systems, same as there are horrible people everywhere. The other side is also true, There are honorable police officers doing honorable work in many systems, protecting society like it's their own family. Let's not forget about that. I feel that the horrible systems get more media coverage, therefore pooling the good cops with the bad ones. Nobody covers all the times a cop takes down a dangerous person that poses an immediate threat to someone else. There are no cameras around when a cop takes down a guy who just beat up his wife.

[–] texture@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

no, horrible cops and horrible people are not equivalent. the profession is tainted, all cops are bastards.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 12 hours ago

Literally fuck all cops everywhere.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago

The guys with the police dogs are always so twitchy and violent. It's like they absorb their own dog's attack training.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Is there anyplace in the world that doesnt have lowest common denominators just itching to brutalize and murder in positions of law enforcement?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Perhaps, Japan...

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

If you want to know what kind of people will be in a job, on average, consider what the job incentivizes and how that might appeal to the motives of different kinds of people.

Law enforcement ostensibly promotes an image of community service and protection. So you will find people that wish to do those things seeking to become police officers.

But the reality is that police work itself, policies, and legal protections for officers is far more focused on the state sanctioned use of force, the strict adherence to laws for citizenry but far more lax enforcement on officers themselves, and the authority of command given to officers in interactions with them. So for someone who wants to posture as a tough guy, to dominate over people with legal authority, to commit acts of violence with little, if any, consequence for themselves or recourse for he victim, and to remain in good standing in much of society because of the aforementioned promoted image, it serves those desires too.

And due to the us vs them mentality, the lack of liability, and the tight community formed just within law enforcement and those who work directly with them (prosecutors/DAs, judges, mayors, etc) that do not hold each other accountable unless they do something to violate that community (like reporting abuse of authority, excessive force, gross negligence, etc. on fellow officers), then the police culture itself incentives pushing out the cops with good intentions that may stir up "trouble" in the community in favor of those who will allow or actively propagate corruption and collusion.

If a job incentivizes and/or protects aggression, violence, and pretty crime, don't be shocked when it's full of aggressive, violent, petty criminals.

[–] EvasiveSpecies@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

"Male bullies become cops, female bullies become nurses" is something I hear often and it makes sense. Power over vulnerable people attracts these specimen. Are ALL in these professions like that? Of course not but probably a higher average than in other fields.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 15 hours ago

That's how they got the job.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 4 points 14 hours ago

Nowhere that has hierarchy, and therefore power and wealth held in the hands of a few to pay others to commit violence on their behalf.

But who are the police and the soldiers who protect the capitalists against you, against the people?

If they were capitalists themselves, then it would stand to reason why they want to protect the wealth they have stolen, and why they try to keep up, even by force, the system that gives them the privilege of robbing the people.

But the police and the soldiers, the defenders of ‘law and order’, are not of the capitalist class. They are men from the ranks of the people, poor men who for pay protect the very system that keeps them poor. It is unbelievable, is it not? Yet it is true. It just comes down to this: some of the slaves protect their masters in keeping them and the rest of the people in slavery. In the same way Great Britain, for instance, keeps the Hindoos in India in subjection by a police force of the natives, of the Hindoos themselves. Or as Belgium does with the black men in the Congo. Or as any government does with a subjugated people.

It is the same system.

Here is what it amounts to: Capitalism robs and exploits the whole of the people; the laws legalize and uphold this capitalist robbery; the government uses one part of the people to aid and protect the capitalists in robbing the whole of the people. The entire thing is kept up by educating the people to believe that capitalism is right, that the law is just, and that the government must be obeyed. Do you see through this game now?

from Now and After by Alexander Berkman, Chapter 3: Law and Government. Available to read for free here.

[–] Weges@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Looks like a bad apple issue, one doesn’t deal with the tension well at all and then the rest has to deal with that fallout. I mean, just look at their reactions to their colleagues’ action; gawking in disbelief and late in response to the man’s retaliation.

I get the US police problem, but that shit doesn’t do well for Dutch police officers.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 hours ago

The complete phrase is "one bad apple spoils the bunch." Just because the US police are particularly awful doesn't mean other countries' police don't also have systemic issues or that they aren't problematic institutions in general.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't it seem strange there are 5 cops at a hospital and one of those cops is a canine unit.

Maybe there is more to the story

[–] lostbit@feddit.nl 2 points 5 hours ago

they where responding to an call where somebody was wielding a knife

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Reaction from the police spokesperson linked by a commenter indicates they see no problem with this.

[–] plant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Me when I'm a class traitor too

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Canadians want to join the EU, don't forget

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 4 hours ago

Still better then the us, or for that matter our own police.

[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 39 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

The EU is not far from the US in many aspects. The actions are just more subtile and the propaganda is better.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 3 points 12 hours ago

Nah yall are just ten years behind like always.

[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 13 points 19 hours ago

Yep, EU jingoism is on the rise. There's unfortunately quite a lot of it here on Lemmy. It reminds me of the tankies - America bad so EU must be good.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 42 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Attempted murder of the fetus by the cop and justified defense of other by the husband.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 95 points 1 day ago (18 children)

What the actual fuck? The dude with the dog needs to be brought up in charges, and the rest need to be suspended. That was completely uncalled for.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 43 points 1 day ago

Just thought he'd cause a fucken miscarriage because a pregnant woman shoo'd away another pig's grip.

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago

I was going to say, you can say that again, so I will!

ACAB

[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 22 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

This is insane what the fuck. Thank god I left that shithole.

[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Where'd you go? I'm looking to leave, I recently researched a place in Italy where 350k could buy me a 520m2 villa while here in the Netherlands I can't even afford the smallest apartments that are now crossing the 400k mark.

[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 6 points 19 hours ago

There is no escape to capitalism. You can maybe escape west fascism by moving to some part of Asia (no Japan or bad Korea). Please don’t inflate Italian housing market, it’s already catastrophic for our purchasing power.

for the hogs: I live in via della Camiluccia in Rome. Come and get me fuckfaces.

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