THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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The EU is not far from the US in many aspects. The actions are just more subtile and the propaganda is better.
Nah yall are just ten years behind like always.
Yep, EU jingoism is on the rise. There's unfortunately quite a lot of it here on Lemmy. It reminds me of the tankies - America bad so EU must be good.
Yeah, propaganda yourself out of that....
Please, explain to me what you mean?
I never said it's as bad as in the US, but I have worked with immigrants and I have seen things.
Also there is a lot of normalisation going on. Here is a good example.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86vpq42dl0o
That is an article from not even a month ago. The EU operates it's border forces more at the exterior, but they are there doing all kinds of things that are violating humans rights daily.
The EU is not that shining beacon of liberty that most people think it is. It's a bunch of nation states that do nation state things.
What i wanted to say was: How can you propaganda yourself out of that?
A policeman walks to a pregnant woman and pulls her and she falls on the ground. On her back luckily.
Even if you cite the most niche law that somehow justifies this i will side with the woman.
Even the dog thought that was a bad idea.
I totally misunderstood your comment, sorry.
Most people won't see it and if this can't be put under the rug you will have a lot of newspapers who will happily come up with excuses why this was necessary.
The constant stream of "Muslims equals terrorists, most Palestinians are Muslims, therefore they are terrorists" helps a lot there.
And people want to be on the majority side which they identify as "good".
Also you shouldn't underestimate the fear factor. If people admit that this was unnecessary police violence, they suddenly realise that nothing is stopping the police of doing that to them. So to calm their anxiety they will either say " immigrants, they shouldn't be here in the first place" or "there must be more to that story, that we don't see/know".
True.