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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 71 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You forgot "We use JIRA so we are agile now. I assigned all tickets so get to work and be done at the end of the ~~week~~ sprint"

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The one I like is “we have no fucking idea what we’re trying to build other than a vague problem statement, so start testing already. This is Agile.”

[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

”Our plan is to continuously make up new shit along the way and hope we eventually get something we can deliver”

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On that subject, does anybody hate the term "Sprint" as much as I do?

"Sprints" are extremely quick events that last tens of seconds and are done at most once a day, but more often (in competition) a few times a month, or a few times in a day every few months.

You don't sprint for a full week every week. That's a marathon, maybe an ultra-marathon.

[–] daeraxa@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We had a bunch of simultaneous 'sprints' that went on for over a year...

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What makes it so annoying to me is that a sprint implies putting in maximum effort for a short time. The pace of a sprint is unsustainable over more than a few seconds.

If you say you did "sprints" for over a year... no you didn't. Either you sprinted for a little bit and then had to walk for a while because you'd used up all your energy. Or, you jogged at a sustainable pace for a year and just called it a sprint.

[–] daeraxa@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

Oh absolutely. It wasn't even close to being sparkling chaos, let alone Agile. What we had as 'sprints' would be more accurate as Epics. The whole thing was insane but they stuck with the terminology...

[–] bignose@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago

Screenshotting a text post on the Fediverse, to post an opaque image on the Fediverse.

The post was right there to be shared.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

i fucking hate daily standups. such a pointless waste of time.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I did have actual stand ups once, after coming back from China and all I could think of was "shit I hope they don't make us sing the corp's anthem at the end!" like they do over there...

[–] Mikrochip@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait, do they seriously have corporate anthems in China? I thought that only happened in the sprawl trilogy o.O

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I don't know exactly what they sing, but yeah, singing together before a shift starts is fairly common over there. Used to see the delivery men do it before taking off for the day. Same with the local estate agent branch down the street where I lived.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kind of like what they do at Walmart?

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I did not know that. But it reeks so much of corpo team building I would not be surprised in the least. Do they do that out on the street, though? My first thought when I saw this was "oh, that must be the hazing for the new recruits! How amusing!"
It was not. It was a daily thing.

[–] jade52@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please explain this corporate anthem further....

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dunno exactly what they sang, but yeah, they would absolutely sing something at the beginning of the day, lined up on the pavement outside their office, with the manager directing like some sort of corpo choral. I guess it's one of those team building things...

[–] jade52@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks, I hate it.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Especially when they're called "standups" but everybody sits down because they typically last an hour or so.

[–] bignose@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yet another way that the good ideas from Agile got crushed to meaninglessness by Business Idiocy.

The whole point of the “stand up meeting” is, by forcing everyone to stand together, to encourage everyone to keep it brief and to the point, so it benefits everyone without sucking their time.

[–] bignose@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course, that works only when everyone's in the same room. I don't have a good replacement for teams that connect remotely.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We have a NeatBoard that's configured for Zoom. So our stand ups are in front of this TV thing and it works well for us.

Then again, our stand ups are short and to the point. We're closer to kanban than scrum.

[–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

For you perhaps but for the scrum master it helps identify whether the sprint is on track and whether there are any new discoveries/realities identified during the previous days work that might impact the Sprint's goals.

This is fundamental to the emperical nature of scrum: there is no improvement without inspection.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's agile if the plan is constantly reviewed with every new information in mind and you can change what you are working in to better implement it.

If you do do Scrum, that's almost never the case.

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had the misfortune of working under SAFE – Scalee agile or something. It was waterfall wearing a festive and extremely expensive Agile mask.

I think more than 60 devs all working in the same codebase, a trading platform, and doing planning sprints individually, playing planning poker to estimate feature of features of features up to three months in the future. Most ridiculous thing I ever participated in and that says a lot.

[–] AliasVortex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I'm not super fond of SAFE either

waterfall wearing a festive and extremely expensive Agile mask.

Is exactly the experience I had in my last two shops.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“Well, to get people to consider if our method is potentially applicable to their situation and needs, we need to give it descriptive names that sound dynamic and cool to get their attention. If it’s not right for their needs they’ll disregard it of course.”

The business idiots: “Hmmm, yes, fancy words, trendy, apply it immediately to everything so I can say I “over saw implementation” on my resume next time I hop jobs”

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago
[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

ah-jee-lay… must be Italian!

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From experience most hate from project management systems come from people just don't understand it and implement it poorly. Usually the miss the point. Unfortunately those are the people who need the structure the most.

[–] cbazero@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

The 'hate' is the obvious observation that most forms of project management do and can not work while they are done over and over again with the non-argument 'If it does not work, you are not doing it right'.

[–] Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is there such a thing as a region called Agile in france? Or am i missing out the point of the joke?

[–] Peereboominc@piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I guess it is a reference to champagne. If wine does not come from the region "Champagne" it is not allowed to be called Champagne but just white wine. Even if it tastes just the same.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same with Cognac and Armagnac. And Port. And probably a bunch of others.

Oooh ok thx a lot!

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a meme format (a snowclone), of the form "It's only X if it comes from the X region of France, otherwise it's just sparking Y". The original was talking about Champagne (and sparkling wine), which is why it's France.

There's lots of versions out there, of varying quality.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I think the "region of France" section is optional. As long as it has the punchline "otherwise it's just sparkling" Y

[–] belunos@lemmus.org 2 points 2 months ago
[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

So that's Agile AOP then.