I believe in equal rights for all living things. Plants get the axe, same as the meat-bags.
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Carnist here, feel free to ratio me in the comments.
The thing that I find most annoying in these intermittent "debates" where various people with different believes make starwmen and yell past one another is the shocking disconnect between people and the food that they eat at a fundamental level.
I am firmly of the belief that people need to be aware of what goes into the production of the food that they eat and look at the consequences of their actions directly.
People who eat meet but divorce that dish from the animal who made it are misguided at best to delusional at worst.
Similarly people who champion the removal of animal products but won't look into the eyes of a combine harvester and the animal it has ran over, the displacement or slaughter of animals in the clearing of farmlands, the increase in water consumption as new areas are turned over to fast cash crop agriculture based on whatever the current trend is, the removal of byproducts from industry such as long lasting leathers of adhesive products in exchange for quick rotting fast fashion made largely of petroleum products, and the costs associated with all of that are also misguided at best to delusional at worst.
Independence and community support are the best answer. But when so many see the people they live alongside as enemies what hope do we have of cooperation.
So maybe instead of fighting one another over petty concerns we can come together and take a look at the system trying to keep people apart and reliant on its own monstrous excess
Similarly people who champion the removal of animal products but won’t look into the eyes of a combine harvester and the animal it has ran over, the displacement or slaughter of animals in the clearing of farmlands, the increase in water consumption as new areas are turned over to fast cash crop agriculture based on whatever the current trend is,
Animal products require the cultivation of more plants than vegan food. Animals need to be fed, and they burn tons of calories to stay alive.
the removal of byproducts from industry such as long lasting leathers of adhesive products in exchange for quick rotting fast fashion made largely of petroleum products, and the costs associated with all of that are also misguided at best to delusional at worst.
Without subsidies, it is cheaper to make long-lasting bioplastics from plant matter than to raise a cow and kill it for its skin. The fashion industry makes clothes that decay in order to sell more clothes, and the meat industry artificially lowers the price of leather.
So maybe instead of fighting one another over petty concerns we can come together and take a look at the system trying to keep people apart and reliant on its own monstrous excess
Agreed, you should take a look at the system and let go of your petty concerns. This will make you vegan.
Don't go vegan. Don't go crazy on meat either.
Eat Billionaires instead
This vegan can make an exception for the ruling class :3
I'm allergic to everything. Mushrooms, soy/tofu, tree nuts (but not peanuts), raw fruits (and some cooked), raw veggies.
I'm Mexican but even I can only eat so many beans in one week. I'll stick with doin my best though.
From a climate/environmental perspective, just reducing or eliminating beef makes the most impact. Chicken and fish use far less resources and far fewer emissions per lb.
Thanks for wanting to help out :)
I genuinely think this is one of the few good reasons not to be fully vegan. Props to you for still doing your best despite how frustrating all those allergies must be.
Reducing meat intake and replacing it with veggies where you can does heaps for the environment. Your best is phenomenal, if everyone did your best, I bet the industries would adapt and offer more alternatives you aren't allergic to, so you had more choice to evolve what "your best" is.
Sadly this is probably going to be a generational change, multi generational even, so please don't chastise yourself for not being able to do more.
Me for example, I try to use vegan/vegetarian ingredients where I can but I'm lazy and also eat meat every 2-3 days. The moment I learn of a new lazy healthy product that tastes good I introduce it to my diet, it's a slow process lol.
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For me its because I cant afford to, I'm still living with my reactionary parents and they would never buy anything vegan
To the non vegans willing to approach this with an open mind:
I would highly recommend you to watch this.
Ethical reasons aside, if you do care about the environment and climate change, then vegan diets have a much much lower negative environmental impact.
If you're smart with it, then vegan diets tend to be a lot cheaper too! Most humans are lactose intolerant. Maybe you are too. If you are, then switching to vegan milks could mean less gases, farts and bloating. It's quite comfortable to not have all that...
That being said, if you do switch to a vegan diet, you would quite likely need vitamin supplementation (at least I do).
What vitamins do you need to supplement?
Vitamin B12 (if you don’t eat any vegan meat and cheese substitutes since those are often fortified), vitamin D (everyone should supplement this, not just vegans) and iron if you’re pregnant.
Fun fact: People who eat meat from factory farming (virtually every meat eater) also rely on vitamin supplementation.
Only with extra steps: The cattle get the supplements. Cause they don't graze on lush natural meadows anymore, they're fed mostly corn.
You do realize that meat-eaters usually aren't subsisting solely off of meat, right? They don't need to rely on vitamin supplementation, that's the whole point of a balanced diet. If they eat all the stuff that's important on a regular enough basis, they'll be fine even if you take the supplements away from farm animals.
Cause they don’t graze on lush natural meadows anymore, they’re fed mostly corn.
This is too localized of a point, in Canada for example the diets of farm animals are regulated to consist of much more than just corn. Admittedly I'm not sure about other countries, though I'm sure there are others similar in that regard.
Granted, I should have limited my statement to B12.
One of the main arguments against veganism is that it isn't "natural" cause you need B12 supplements and there's no way around that.
But farm animals usually also get B12 supplements because the bacteria that actually produces it (and then puts it in the grass) only lives in natural soil.
So only cattle who can actually graze will get it. If they are fed from industrially made feed, it needs to be supplemented.
I'm just here with popcorn, don't mind me.
Because I am failure.
I don't have a kitchen, and most ready to eat food is non-vegan.
I am currently living either with parents or at dorm.
Parents are hoarders, so the kitchen can be considered out of service. There's no space, and it's far from food-safe.
The dorm kitchen is shared between ~20 people, and I don't do well around those, so I haven't used it. Plus the situation with electric appliances is complicated there. I'd have to somehow haul my own fridge over there. And get it approved first, so more human contact.
I also share a room with someone, so I just try to do least of anything over there.
As I only tend to eat once a day, this is economically doable.
Our uni also has a cafeteria, but I haven't yet been there because... I haven't yet been there. I don't know how it works. I tried observing others, but I see the order system is done using some touchscreen terminal, the UI of which I don't know (I was watching from further away), and I couldn't find any precise manual online. Actually, I couldn't find any manual online.
Devils Advocate: Some reasons outweigh others.
The list of why you should never get on a airplane is also very long.
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im not vegan however i do want that animals would not be treated in the way most industrial farms treat them
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