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    alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
    [Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
    Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
    Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
    Ponytail: Of course.

    [Caption below the panel]
    Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

    partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

    made with this neat tool

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    [–] foggy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 hour ago

    This is a crippling reality.

    Whenever I explain anything I am constantly evaluating how in depth any given node must be expanded for my audience.

    [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

    [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 10 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

    I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

    I’m in my mid 40s.

    Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 45 minutes ago

    That’s weird because mid 40s (to mid 50s) should be the ideal age to know this stuff right now.

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

    I found it funny how condescending all the foss nerds have been to the problems in the LTT linux video. So many people were mad that someone unfamiliar with linux didnt know everything and have a perfect experience. The worst part was they had this opinion and attacked the user while demonstrating they had absolutely no idea what the issues were caused by and could have easily run into the same issue.

    [–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

    I used to think everyone at least knew VLC media player or Firefox, but nope.

    Now I first ask which field, if they're CS they know linux, if art, they know blender, if geosciences they know QGIS, anything else is hard

    [–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 5 points 1 hour ago
    [–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

    I bring this up at my job all the time. I work as a software tester, and I'm constantly reminding our BA that most customers aren't smart enough to "just know not to do that"

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

    Ok so how different is Firefox from any other web browser? Seems like the basics are all pretty similar. Address bar, bookmarks, click links. But maybe I am showing my bias here. What am I missing?

    [–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 5 points 31 minutes ago

    Chrome based browsers are riddled with privacy invasive features, data collection etc...

    Also, ad blocking in chrome is crippled purposely because Google wants ad revenue.

    Firefox has less of these anti features, and there are plenty of Firefox derivatives that have none of them.

    [–] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 2 points 50 minutes ago

    I study proteins and I chatter on about them, but once in a rare while I'll talk to a normal person and they'll be say "like, the food group" or in introductions I'll say I'm a structural biologist and some people look at me blankly then say something about "bone structure". It kills me a little inside.

    [–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 42 minutes ago

    The Kim Jong side eye is great, almost like the Fry futurama meme.

    But those notepads. Always with the notepads.

    [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 91 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

    I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

    I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

    I'm of two minds on this.

    In some respects people are learning new things everyday and your take is correct.

    On the other hand it's so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

    [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

    Nah, Cunningham’s Law disagrees.

    [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    On the other hand it’s so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

    Not to mention that this approach is so much faster and more effective than asking a question in the comments and waiting for an answer, if anybody answers it at all!

    [–] somenonewho@feddit.org 3 points 57 minutes ago

    While I agree on some level that it might be easier and quicker to find out by simply putting it into a search engine I don't want to deny the human aspect here. At the end of the day social media (and even reddit/lemmy ...) is not "knowledge transfer" its about the interaction between humans. So if someone is faced with something new, especially in a thread where it seems to be a given that people know what it is, it makes sense to use that space to ask what it is everyone is discussing. And while a search might yield a generic result (maybe even a better worded explanation) a good faithed commenter might, in the given exampl, enot just explain what Linux is, but also why is relevant to the bigger discussion and also the commenter that orignally asked would have a way to ask further questions that might lead to a deeper understanding of the topic eve it if isn't as efficient.

    Tl;dr: Don't just RTFM or LMGTFY someone. Take a minute to explain and welcome people into the lucky 10000

    [–] somenonewho@feddit.org 2 points 55 minutes ago

    Like I said in my longer comment I think we should embrace questions in out communities.

    [–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 17 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    They were one of the lucky 10,000.

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

    The next comment was “What’s Linux?”

    In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

    [–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    well thankfully it’s not self aware

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 37 minutes ago

    And now it knows what Linux is. It has broken free from its container. God help us all.

    [–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 3 hours ago (11 children)

    Is the average person unaware of Linux and Firefox?!

    [–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 hours ago

    if they are, it’s not much more than "that thing they heard of sometime", i don’t think the layperson really considers them as alternatives to what they’re using.

    i remember, when i first switched to an non-chrome browser many years ago, my friends kept asking me if stuff like google, google drive or google classroom (which our school used) still worked on it. many people don’t know the difference between google chrome (the web browser) and google (the search engine)!

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

    I would give it a coin-flip as to whether the average person could name their current OS. Not sure if I would have to give credit to people who respond "The Microsoft one" or "Google Phone" in order for that bet to be fair.

    It'd be a coinflip on whether or not they even knew what an operating system was.

    [–] tdawg@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

    I had a client who was the head of product at her buisness. We'd meet at the end of every sprint to do demos and planning. Anyway when my team mentioned there were some issues on Firefox her knee jerk response was to openly say "I hate Firefox users"

    I have tons of stories like that but the point is that even people who are aware don't universally love it

    Awareness is just the bare minimum

    [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Wtf, what was her reasoning?

    [–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 hour ago

    more work for her, i assume. how easy it would be of you only had to optimize for internet explorer at 640x480...

    Lots of websites work poorly on Firefox compared to Chrome. They optimize for Chrome because that's where the userbase is. If you're not on Chrome then fuck you I guess.

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    [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

    I imagine the average non-tech person does not even know what "open source" means, let alone able to name anything that is open source.

    [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    Even the average tech person doesn't know what it means.
    The term was coined by Christine Peterson of the Free software movement, and is defined to specify software that is free and open source (FOSS).
    This was after problems with the term "free software" because it was a bad term, that was hijacked to also include software free of cost but closed and proprietary, so far from open source. And free was not generally understood as free as in libre.
    After the Free software movement coined the term. The Free Software Foundation also adopted it, and to distinguish they called it FLOSS, for "Free as in Libre and Open Source Software", where the libre means that the code is protected from being "jailed" because it has a so called strong copyleft license, like for instance GPL. So MIT, BSD and public domain are not FLOSS but they are FOSS.

    https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source-software

    /Nothing in this life is simple.

    [–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

    That’s why I find posts here like “Fast-MBysoon is getting a major update!” funny. The amount of times they just assume you know what it is and then you go into the comments and the only one is “care to say what Fast-MBysoon is?” So many FOSS users just assume everyone knows about their Microkernel-Based YAML Synchronisation Object Notifier project is.

    [–] uberfreeza@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

    This seems like a good thread to ask: I got a spare, handmedown chromebook and wanted to linux it. What the fuck should I do for that?

    [–] davici@lemmy.world 4 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

    If you are completely new don't yet. Find someone to guide you if you are experienced => https://docs.mrchromebox.tech/docs/getting-started.html I had to do minor soldering for the ones I jailbroke

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

    If I remember correctly you need to unlock the bootloader by taking the back off it and removing a screw. Then install MrChromebox firmware. Then you can flash a normal linux distro. Ignore all the chromebook specific ones they're all dead and unmaintained. Arch with Sway worked perfectly on my 2015 chromebook with 4gb of ram and the worst cpu ever.

    [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 1 hour ago

    If you haven't installed an OS before, probably find someone who knows what they're doing and ask for help.

    Jailbreaking and installing a new OS on a Chromebook usually isn't a simple process, and it can be incredibly specific to the exact model of Chromebook you're working with. Installing Linux is the easy part. The difficult part is jailbreaking the device and installing a new bootloader that can handle non-ChromeOS software. And that process varies depending on what model of Chromebook you have. Some of them will require actual hardware modifications in order to do that, requiring disassembly and reassembly (mine did). For some Chromebooks, it's just not possible at all. And in most cases, there are risks of permanently bricking the device if you do it wrong.

    If you can't find someone knowledgeable to hold your hand through it, then you'll need to do lots of research, and not just research into installing Linux on Chromebooks in general -- research into how to do it on your specific model of Chromebook and its specific chipset. Chromebooks are not at all standardized, and exactly what you need to do will depend on exactly which Chromebook you've got.

    [–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 hours ago

    hmm, if it's an x86 chromebook i'm assuming you could install linux on it like any other x86 device... not sure tbh, i've never done this 😅

    if it's ARM, then postmarketos may be your best bet, it's typically used for phones but they have many laptops supported as well. maybe yours would work!

    i've seen stuff like crouton, chrx and galliumOS which are all projects that are supposed to help run linux on chromebooks, but they're all abandoned as of now so i wouldn't recommend them.

    [–] esc@piefed.social 5 points 2 hours ago

    I've done this with a chromebook recently, first it depends on a model and how old is it. In general you need to disable secureboot in recovery menu, enable 'developer' mode, and allow booting from usb. After that you can install your distro.

    [–] FapFlop@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    When in doubt, Linux Mint.

    [–] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 1 points 47 minutes ago

    Windows to Mint, Apple to Ubuntu

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