Love how they translate the price to USD when sadly there’s no way in hell well ever see this car in the US.
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I'm wondering if I can ship one over?
I believe you can import them, but it is a 100% tariff. So your $22k car becomes $44k plus delivery charges and local registration fees/taxes. So very quickly becomes not worth it. Which is why the tariff exists.
There is also the matter of which charging standard is needed. The US of course not using the same standard as the rest of the world.
Is it not worth it? Are there EVs in the US that are sub $44k?
Chevy Bolt, $28K, Nissan leaf$32K, Hyundai kona, $34K, Subaru Uncharted, $36K, Toyota BZ $36K, Ioniq 5, $38K,
...Chevy Equinox, Toyota CH-R, Tesla model 3, Ford Mustang Mach-E, Kia EV6, all below $40K.
I love my Leaf. Best car I've ever owned.
I was going to buy one of the new rivians for about 45k, not sure if they released prices yet. My husband has one of the more expensive Rivians and they're really cool. That being said, byd is cool too and even with import fees it looks doable. Gotta think about it.
Take a vacation to Mexico, buy one there, and drive it back. Perfectly legal and you will still come out ahead and get a vacation thrown in
Take a vacation to Mexico, buy one there, and drive it back. Perfectly legal
if the car has passed US testing, and you pay the tariffs. You cannot just import a new car.
It’s not a new car if you’re driving it over the border. Then it’s a used car. Volvo does something similar by offsetting someone visiting Sweden and driving the car round a bit before flying back and having their car delivered.
The bigger issue is, you need to have the right to buy a car in Mexico (legally a resident, usually), and have the ability to wire transfer in full (you’re not getting a loan). Then you pay a 2.5% duty when you bring it in.
Edit: Canada is probably the better place to try this gray importing scheme as their cars actually meet required US standards.
Then it will cost >$50k and you have a car no one can fix.
You forgot what ever extra tax the orange dumb shit adds
Why give the price in USD when the people who need them most in the US will not be able to buy them?
It’s a 68kWh pack. The 5 min metric is 60% of that. So 41kWh. To do that in 5 min would require 490kW chargers. This is pretty much only available from the latest Tesla super chargers. So while it’s great that the car can support that, articles about it should include the fact that there is very limited support in charging networks for it.
All 3 metrics are important to evaluate together:
- Peak power draw, in watts, describes one type of limitation in charging, that exists somewhere in the chain between the grid itself, the charger, the charge controller, and the batteries. Showing off a very high charging capability on this metric is impressive (for a charger/car combination), and usually shows the bottleneck is somewhere else. Sometimes it's even in the electrical substation where a rack of several chargers can each deliver high power but can't charge every station at full power simultaneously
- Total energy delivered over a particular amount of time (aka average power). High peak power needs to be sustained to be useful.
- Percentage charge delivered over a particular amount of time. The nature of modern batteries means that the maximum charging speed has to slow down closer to each cell's full charge. So charging from 40% to 60% can be much faster than charging from 80% to 100%, even if the total energy transferred and stored is the same.
All 3 matter. #1 is an engineering flex and helps avoid bottlenecks into #2, which you correctly describe as being an important metric, and affects just how far you can expect to drive off of that charge. And #3 translates into actual user experience, which is also really important. None of the three metrics can be assumed by simple multiplication of the others, because none of it goes at constant rates in all contexts.
I'd really love to see how one of these does here in Northern Canada. There are almost no electric vehicles here because of the performance of batteries in the long, cold winter.
One question: how long is the typical vehicle trip in northern Canadian settlements? I know a lot of northern cities lack road connections to other places, so the range being impacted may not have a huge impact if trips are measured in single or double digits of km increase of triple digits.
Well to get from the western interior coast(Bella Coola) from the closest main city in the interior(Williams Lake) is about 500 km. Even then there is five charging stations on the way and there are some solar farms going in on the Chilcotin plateau so the small communities in the area have power without needing to run major lines to power them.
To get from the north coast (Prince Rupert) to the north interior(Smithers) there looks to be around 7 stations along the way and stations all the way along north towards the Yukon. Now you might not be able to get too far away from the main highway but there is little reason to go too far away from the main highway multiple times. If you have a destination off the highway just make sure you charge at the closest station and have enough change to get back or the ability to charge where you are parking like a b&b.
All great and I'd love it BUT
Will it track the shit out of me?
And before anyone goes "But Murrica!", I don't give a shit. I don't care who wants to spy on me, the USA, China, Russia, fuck all those dictator governments, I want NOBODY spying on me.
I want MY car, if I really need one, to be MY car, and nobody else's.
That's awesome!
I'd love to have one that's a small form truck or mini-van with a flat front for maximum visibility and minimum footprint.
To be perfect: Absolutely no touch screens allowed, no internet, no satellite, honestly I'm good without Bluetooth. Make it feel like a 90s vehicle, but electric.
I missed it in the article, does it say how well it holds its charge compared to non-fast-charged ones? That tends to be the limiting factor in many things, as it's much harder on the battery. I doubt they'd be pushing it if it wasn't an improvement though
Does it use proprietary charging infrastructure?
Probably not but good luck finding a 600 kW charger to support that speed
88 mph and a clocktower during a thunderstorm?
Yeah, good luck knowing precisely when lightning will strike the tower.
I think I got an idea about how to make it work, but I knocked my head on the bathroom and forgot how.
Jumpin' jigawatts!
Yeah.... My usual experience is to connect to 150kW changer and get half of that. Better battery will not magically fix shitty infrastructure.
Looks great, I'll take it.