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From Parklane Landscapes

Shifting Baseline Syndrome (SBS) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it "normal," simply because it's all they've ever known.

Think about walking through a park and thinking, "This seems healthy." But maybe 30 years ago that same park had twice as many birds, wildflowers, or insects. If you never saw that version, you don't feel the loss - and that quiet forgetting becomes the new baseline. Over time, we start accepting degraded ecosystems as normal.

Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what's left.

What helps:

Intergenerational conversations that reconnect us with what nature used to be.

Direct experiences with nature that sharpen our awareness of change.

Remembering (knowing) the past is the first step to restoring the future.

Not a sponsor, I don't think it's an AI graphic, and I think it has something important to say. Plus it does have an owl. We can't save our animals if we don't save them the spaces they need to thrive.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is how humans drive animals exinct

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

That's why I'm here tossing this education around all day, every day! 😇

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In a bit of a reverse to this, wolf populations are WAY up in Oregon, now. Even with poisonings and deliberate killings. There are hundreds of wolves in the state, and they trend upwards each year.

...oregon has no wolf reintroduction program. These wolves have come from other states, like Montana, Idaho, and Washington, whose numbers are also increasing!

Wolves restore habitats degraded by overpopulation and disease, bringing back species lost or driven out by overgrazing or defoliation of trees. :)

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

That is great to hear. I know some don't like them and have some reasonable objections, but hey, the wolves were here first!

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I just want bees back. My town used to have bees everywhere you looked and you could plant anything and you would get to harvest it later. Now you are lucky if you get a couple fruit/veggies per plant. Its not just bees either. The standard 'plant this to attract pollenators' plants don't help if there are no pollenators to attract.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I just happened to step outside late one night as the mosquito truck rolled by, with a dopey sounding single stroke engine pumping out a cloud of spray.

It works, we don't have any skeeters in our neighborhood. We also don't have lightning bugs, labybugs, dragonflies, butterflies, bees, or most other flying critters. We do have wasps, though. Those bastards are indestructible apparently.

I was in Queens, NY, in THE city, no woods, pastures, or even parks around anywhere nearby, and yet there were lightning bugs everywhere we went at night. We can't have them where we live next to nature, but they have them in the city, because they don't spray clouds of POISON down their streets, "for the bugs."

I mentioned this to group of residents recently, and we all agreed said that we'd be happy to trade a few skeeter bites each summer if it meant we could see lightning bugs and butterflies again.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

what the actual fuck? fumigating... outside? who approved this. That's one of the most idiotic ideas I've heard.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

There have been skeeter trucks for decades, all my life. In areas with lots of skeeters, there is a fear of skeeter spread blood diseases, so control is considered imperative.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

I mentioned this to group of residents recently, and we all agreed said that we’d be happy to trade a few skeeter bites each summer if it meant we could see lightning bugs and butterflies again.

Bring it up at a City Council meeting or something if possible. Local politics is one of the few areas in America where democracy isn't entirely dead yet.

Also when it comes specifically to lightning bugs / lanternflies / fireflies (plus many other species), light pollution also has a significant negative effect on them. Clouds of poison sure aren't doing them any favor either though.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

I was going to speak to the HOA, but it turns out its a county thing, and HOA couldn't stop it if they wanted to. I could try to go to the county commissioners, but it's highly MAGA, so if they figure out we're concerned about it, especially if they think we're concerned about the environment, they'll probably double the coverage.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Local politics is one of the few areas in America where democracy isn’t entirely dead yet.

laughs in southern US

[–] schema@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I remember the fireflies in late summer outside the cities. They are nowhere to be found anymore, unfortunately.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying my brown thumb is not totally my fault??? 😉

The wife is terrified of bees, but I get excited to see them anymore. Especially the weird local bees.

I tried to plant some bee and butterfly friendly plants but they all got cooked in a heat wave last year or something.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

We also say that the bugs and animals all only ever came by to see grandpa and now that he's gone they have no reason to visit.

But yeah heat waves have been really awful. I'm already dying and its not even the hot season. Soon all we'll have that can handle the heat is cockroaches and we'll have to selectively breed them to turn them into pollenators but actually that would be horrendous please no.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

We also say that the bugs and animals all only ever came by to see grandpa and now that he's gone they have no reason to visit.

🥲

I just got the email today about electricity prices jumping another 30% right in time for summer. We've already had 90 degree (32C) days, so I am not looking forward to this. I am one of those always hot people as it is. 🥵

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

There were a lot of places in the world that went in reverse from this scene. Managed/coppiced woodlands date to the Middle Ages, and resemble the first picture much more than the third.

I would also point out that there are plenty of completely natural areas that have resembled the first picture since time immemorial. Savannahs, scrublands, steppes, and prairies are naturally sparse in terms of large vegetation, due to the grazing of large herds of ungulates. These voracious herbivores rapidly destroy young trees, leaving wide gaps between the larger trees that have beat the odds to reach the critical size needed to survive.

In North America, the disappearance of bison (due to European settlers’ destruction of their populations) has led to woody forest encroachment on areas that were previously prairie grasslands with no trees. So in that case the whole progression shown in these pictures is running in reverse.

[–] Slayan@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 hours ago

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/fifty-years-ago-david-attenborough-changed-the-way-we-see-the-world-now-we-must-heed-his-warning-8294239

In my lifetime – and even more so in Sir David’s – the natural world has suffered an extraordinary and devastating decline. Since the spread of industrial agriculture, the planet has lost more than two-thirds of its wildlife populations. Today, 96 per cent of all mammal biomass on Earth is made up of humans and farmed animals. Just four per cent is wild.

At COP26, he ended his address with words that deserve to be remembered: “If working apart we are a force powerful enough to destabilise our planet, surely working together we are powerful enough to save it… In my lifetime I’ve witnessed a terrible decline. In yours, you could – and should – witness a wonderful recovery.”

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It would become a very long cartoon if we included everywhere. 😁

Wherever the environment changes, it benefits some organisms at the cost of others. The Northern Spotted Owl vs Barred Owl situation has really highlighted that here.

Like you said, nature itself is always changing, and things will adapt or fall off to accommodate the new reality. A healthy and natural ecosystem doesn't need to look like the picture, it just tried to highlight how we can lose an understanding of how things could or should be over generations.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, my purpose is not to suggest that we haven’t affected the environment; we have, dramatically. It’s just to say that there is way more than 1 kind of natural state.

We haven’t even gotten into the ways many other animals shape environments. Ungulates can destroy trees, yes, and wolves can limit ungulate populations, so more wolves tend to lead to thickets, whereas more ungulates lead to more clearings.

Beavers are another shaper of habitats, by their damming of rivers, creation of lakes, and the silt deposits in those flood plains which can lead to the ecological succession of forests.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

My mom sent me this today, looks like they got a beaver! 🦫

I highly suggest people listen to this song about the birth of the conservation movement of you ever need a little hope.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/wild-ones-live/

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

That was a long song! If it's too long for anyone, there is a transcript, but of course you don't get the music part, which did set a good mood for the story.

It doesn't sound like Hornaday enjoyed certain people as much as he came to enjoy animals, so you may want to skip his wikipedia page, just as a heads up.

I found the storytelling very inspiring though!

Someone recently recommended to me The Dollop #386 - The War on Squirrels. While many of us in the US still see lots of squirrels, there used to be so many the government paid a cash bounty on them. Some real crazy stuff in there, and a strange history I'd never heard. Look it up on your podcast platform of choice.

In apology for our country's former squirrel hatred, here is one of my squirrels drinking upside down.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

They mentioned the diamondback terrapin! She's been one of my fav animals this season!

Sadie Sink

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That is so cool! I hope your mom and the beaver are able to keep the peace. I know some folks get really frustrated by them!

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, she'll figure it out haha. Probably will need to wrap some trees but that's ok.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I guess you just wrap them in hardware cloth?

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Ah, I got ya now. The balance of creatures can certainly affect the ecosystem more than many will give them credit for.

We're raising funds to build a new beaver pen, so I'm hoping I'll get to know those guys better soon. They look like loads of fun.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I grew up in the 70s and 80s in the US. It is so much better now.

  • Deer were almost extinct in big parts the Midwest
  • Raptors were extremely rare
  • There weren’t Apex predators like mountain lions, cougars, or bobcats like there are now
  • There are so many more birds than when I was a kid

All this nihilism makes everybody feel hopeless. Meanwhile, people have been working towards improving the environment and there have been real payoffs.

Not that we’re done, but the efforts we’ve made have had real tangible changes for the positive.

The impact that Ducks Unlimited made just can’t be overstated.

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[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You see numbers like population reduced by 90% in the last x years. What's often forgotten that it was already reduced by 90% earlier, so actually only 1% is left. As illustrated here.

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[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago (3 children)
[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Things were much better back in my day. Everything went to hell around the Triassic. You kids wouldn't know, with your phones and your tablets and opposable thumbs.

EDIT: That was a good read btw

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I feel as guilty as the next human for things out of my hands, but even I won't take blame for what happened before an apocalyptic meteor strike! 😜

Neat article though! I love the Devonian.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Look what they took from us.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

the 1800's was the age of coal and some of the most polluted cities in histor.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 hours ago

In case you weren't aware, the picture doesn't depict the ecosystem of a city

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

We thankfully don't have rivers catching fire anymore, and air won't kill us in most places, but we've added a ton of mechanization and tech since then so the scope and speed of our ability to destroy has accelerated, even if the amounts and intensities of the damage average lower in some cases.

Mainly I just feel we still have lots of room for improvement. About 90% of animal rehabs are due to people, our junk, and our pets.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 87 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

One of the issues with this is that the previous generation that knows this best in my country is currently the least interested in talking about climate change. My parents grew up in a noticably different climate but they don't want to hear or say anything about this because to them confronting climate change means giving up convenience and if there's one thing boomers hate it's giving up convenience.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

My parents continue to try to rationalize the bonkers-ass weather we've been having every year.

I try to explain some concepts to them, like artic jets that cause flash freezes in otherwise mild winters, or the unseasonably warm weather we have throughout most of the winter, or the rarity of snowfall we've had over the past few years. Even ten or twenty years ago, it wasn't like this.

And yet whenever I try explaining these things, I can practically see the layers of cognitive dissonance they're spinning it through in their heads before they give a non-committal "yeah" in one of those insincere "everything is fine because I wasn't actually paying attention" sort of ways...

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 52 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I'm only 40 years old and I remember how different it was. If you went on a weekend trip your car would be splattered with insects all over. Our garden used to be full of butterflies and other insects. I've been stung so many times but for my kids it's a really rare occasion.

Not to mention the weeks of snow instead of the scattered few days we have now. And hardly anybody seems to care.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I'm around the same age and notice the same things. I miss the fireflies and butterflies so much. Even the unloved bugs are gone. In summer the car always was plastered with dead bugs, and now that doesn't happen. A lot of notice things are gone, but even more unnoticed things are.

I feel that even though the collective "we" caused this, we as individuals have very little say on a lot of this. I can't get Coke to stop using plastic, I can't get Nestle to stop stealing groundwater, etc, and with decades of elected leaders letting us down, it's hard to come up with a plan of action. Individual actions like adding native plants back into your yard (that's what the company that shared this graphic does, which was why I was ok with sharing a business post), providing artificial animal nests and shelters, and just minding your own consumerism feels like a drop in the ocean, but I believe thousands or millions of us doing those tiny things is sadly going to be more effective in the near term than waiting for people in power to do the right thing. But it's often times hard to convince regular people of that.

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[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 hours ago

You’re right- I needed the squeegee every time I got gas to clean the bugs off my windshield. Now I think I use it once per year

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[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

One of the reasons is the trend of a boring, uniform yard. I remember growing up we had honey suckles, various plants and such in the yard, some were not pleasant to step on but had bio diversity. With the drive of a "perfect" lawn and the use of so many chemicals including pesticides and removal of native flora as well as trees, this has decreased bio-diversity. I hate lawns, I'd rather have natural grasses and shrubs and such.

Then people tell me "well you have to tend to those and it's a lot of work." No you don't, you tend to them because you're keeping up with the neighbors. Let them grow, water them when conditions require, clean up leaves in autumn. There's no need to modify plants for aesthetics, that's not what I'm interested in.

[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

No do not clean up your leaves. Baby bugs use the leaves to keep warm in the winter. Cleaning up the leaves is reducing the population of helpful bugs.

[–] Zebrafive@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 11 hours ago

I like to ask people i meet IRL if they have a lawn. Follow up question is why then?

A lot of people seem to be unaware of the history and origin of lawns. Put oversimply, they are and have always been about gross excess resources expenditure to show those around you how rich you are.

[–] quarkquasar@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Or, leave the leaves, and have beautiful lightning bugs in the summer

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