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Now wait until you hear what happened with 23andMe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/23andme-user-data-targeting-ashkenazi-jews-leaked-online-rcna119324

And I'm both amazed and quite worried that nothing has come of it yet.

Given the state of data harvesting I imagine purchasing a list of phone numbers associated with a given demographic is trivial.

Google has that list, and it's for sale. Regardless if you tell them, they know.

You're gonna lose your mind when you hear about the census office. This last census also mandated you disclose your sexual preferences and gender identity. They have a list of black and brown people, LGBTQ+ people, and trans people. 😬

You could get a highschool kid to build this with available data.

Not that hard to buy people's data these days.

Nothing to hide nothing to fear. Till suddenly u got so thing to hide. I hate to say it but i fucking told you so.

No kidding. When I heard about this I asked how the fuck do they even know it's a black person.

Yep.

::rant incoming::

Their psyops game is horrendously effective, and it makes me furious.

And because it's so effective, it makes sense for them to continue it, to continue to fracture the English-speaking world.

(It's also cheap compared to manufacturing weapons...get a bunch of laptops, hire a bunch of trolls for a slightly-better-than-average wage in some local currency doing a job that ISN'T hard labor, which probably seems cushy. Put them in a room, and have them do a script. Very cheap compared to actually designing and manufacturing real weapons, or doing real logistics for war, etc. Cheap and effective = huge incentive for continuing indefinitely.)

The goal I've noticed is to make no place online safe. Poison everything. Texts in this particular case, make PoC in America and elsewhere apt to vent and lash out because of the pressure, but also they also poison forums, social media of any and all stripes, etc. Divide and conquer, anyone, everyone, everywhere.

Have a hobby? They'll slide into the hobby discussion sites and start flame wars.

(I saw this happen a lot on Reddit's Star Trek sub. Why was that sub a target? My suspicion is that it's because Star Trek is a comfort show for a lot of people over generations and across nationalities in the West, and also acts as a way to promote Western values of tolerance and thoughtfulness and curiosity, so they want to poison the comforting retreat people go to when they can't stand the overt hopelessness of the political or news subs.)

It happens with all sorts of loves and hobbies too. Have a favorite team, a favorite book, a favorite movie and want to just geek out over it? They slide into that and start shit.

And it's really insidious sometimes...they'll take an already-hot topic and start up a new thread with wording that makes them look clueless but not aggressive. So because they're not obviously an asshole, people hop in giving them the benefit of the doubt and the flame war on (whatever topic specific to that interest) ignites again.

Unless the mods know how to spot that and moderate (which is fairly rare)...but even if that happens, the problem there is that if the mods do their jobs, a true clueless newbie coming in won't know the history of this or that topic and will accidentally get hit by a sudden banhammer without knowing why...which in its way also starts shit, because the real person caught in the net gets their feelings hurt. So it's a catch-22...bad mods, and an online social space is easily manipulated to become a cesspool, but good mods sometimes also accidentally catch a real person in their net...so shit STILL goes down and poisons the well.

Nations doing psyops shit online play both sides, too. So they won't always start shit by posting a far-right viewpoint...they'll choose a lefty viewpoint too, it costs them nothing to lie, but they'll speckle it in with enough "tinder" that flames still ignite. Or they'll have multiple accounts responding to each other.

The only reason I notice this, btw, is because I was a geek in fandoms BEFORE this sort of manipulation started, so I remember what a "legit" forum SHOULD look like. Like, there were always trolls and people with shitty social skills...but it was a very different type of trolling than this psyops shit we see now, because real people with real egos and desires and motivations were behind it. It had a different rise and fall, a different pattern. I guess it was more like real life--with allowances that people will say things anonymously that they'd never say face to face?

Younger folks who have never known a "good" and sane discussion forum think the toxicity and hopelessness online everywhere in every topic is NORMAL. But it's not.

(When Lemmy was unknown, it was more like the forums of old, but now it's on various antagonists' radar there's been an uptick of bad actors starting shit in comments.)

Trump winning is also Putin's long term game, for all we know

It's true.

The question is how do we look after our brothers/sisters?

I don't care who's sending it, it's not ok.