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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 months ago (7 children)

The main reason native americans had such a hard time fighting back the europeans is that they didn't have immunity to old world diseases. You should've brought vaccines.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

You could save literally millions of lives if you could get reproducible vaccines to them. 90% of the population of the continent was killed off before white people even set foot in the area. The set foot on the coast, and disease spread outward very quickly. They walked into abandoned villages, often times. The few that lives were exterminated.

Smallpox vaccine and Kalashnikovs. That's the way to go.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the guns can take them out from a distance no? Maybe when they're rowing to shore.

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[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They can shoot the diseases.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Native 'Muricans, fuck yeah!

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago (12 children)

By going back and meeting them, you just got them sick even earlier.

[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

So show up in a biohazard suit.

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[–] 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

If we're arming people I think a slightly better solution would have been to go further back and arm the peasants in Europe so they can overthrow the monarchs/feudal lords and dismantle the hierarchical system that sent people to "discover" the world for profit/plunder and did the enclosures at home

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Please, Based time travelers would send the T-100 terminator to the Garden of Eden. All the problems solved

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It would be so fucking wild if you invent a time machine and the very crazy Genesis story, including Eden, was true.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Oh yea I’m an Atheist, but the jokes not as funny if I have to explain finding the missing link :)

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

"Aborigines of Sydney Cove, I know you can't understand me but this is called a howitzer and you're gonna want some earplugs."

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Give the Apaches some Apaches, the Comanches some Comanches and the Chinook can take over logistics with some Chinooks and so on

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And the Sioux? Give them law degrees

[–] Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

The Sioux: How about a Trial of Tears, pilgrim?

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 points 3 months ago

I don't remember the name now (I can find it if anyone's interested) but I remember reading about a native from south America that spent some time in Spanish colonies and then joined an expedition to North America (think California) as a translator. Once he arrived north he told natives what the Spaniards are up to and to kill all of them. The north was of course still conquered eventually but they did enjoy couple more decades of freedom thanks to him.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

A smallpox vaccine would be way more effective.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I shall bring horses to the Americas in the year 1011 AD. With any luck, the black plague will get around them anyway, but they'll recover in time for the yuropeean arrival

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

hypothetically, if Columbus journey would have sunk in a storm.

How long would it have been until another European would have tried?

10 years, 50years? a century??

or maybe an asian expedition reaching across the Bering straight would have found it?

Would the meme be a hiccup in history, or a significant change?

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not far back enough.

Give the AK47s to the dinosaurs.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

To fight the meteor?

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I always wondered if I got dropped off into 1650s North America if I could get the Native Americans technically advanced enough to have semi autos by the time I die before the huge colonizer/settler events happen.

I bet even just muskets and penicillin could have tipped the scales.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Gunpowder is a bitch. I don't even know where to find potassium nitrate off the top of my head. You can get sulphur from hot springs and charcoal is simple. From experience, in a lab environment, getting the ratios for a useful explosion is a hard, even when you know what the possibilities are. Unless you have this memorized, that will be a 5 to 10 year adventure.

[–] ChogChog@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

iirc, we were pretty dependent getting nitrates for gunpowder from urine and bat guano until we were able to start synthesizing it.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Thankfully, this is an easy problem to solve. If you're planning a time trip, just research the locations of potassium nitrate deposits before you go.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

Gunpowder would be an easy sell.

Mining/forging might be rough to bootstrap without capitalism. You'd be fighting against their love and respect for nature. Convince a number of them to mine, get black lung.

You'd also have to convince a bunch of different tribes with different languages to stop fighting long enough to fend off invaders, and well, to know the people coming are assholes that will destroy them.

Advanced medicine would be amazing, chemistry.

Honestly, if you wanted them to win, I think you'd just have to get them to band together, maybe bomb ports. If the ships couldn't properly resupply that'd be one hell of a fight.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or kill the settlers yourself gruesomely and allow one or two to return to speak of the horrors. They wouldn't be back for a long time.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That would be a horrible decision. They would likely still die from the diseases spread from europe but also proceed probably having a huge native on native war because i know this is very surprising but native americans also had wars between each other as they were also humans.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I think you underestimate the magnitude of the genocide of the natives. It completely dwarfs the holocaust. Some researchers found it had a noticable effect on the temperature of the planet. About 49.5 million were killed.

Also your comment reeks of "they're savages!"

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

(Native Americans went on to subjugate everyone else with their superior technology)

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If they’re within range for an AK they’re already close enough to spread disease.

Go back and give them a couple WWII destroyers and an oiler and that will keep them safe.

[–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

For me, step 0 would be to travel to the Americas ~400CE and introduce various diseases that Europeans will bring. Maybe it would make me a bioterrorist time criminal, but the hope is that indigenous societies would have more immunity by the 1500s and not get destroyed by smallpox. Then they can mount a more effective and sutained resistance against European expeditions.

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