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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Honest work is just fine. What I don’t like is high pay for bullshit work and bullshit pay for honest work.

[–] brem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

I just want the freedom to eat cheese in foreign places, without the need to pay thugs at borders to get to the next place with cheese.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When I was like 13, 14 when my parents were really pushing me to get a job, I already didn't want to work. Decades later, I still don't want to work, and I like what I do. There's a reason I play the lotto, it's the only way I'm getting out of this shit-cycle. I'd like to spend more time hanging out with my nieces and nephews, who are growing up so fast. My grandparents only have a few years left at best, I've already missed out on spending the best years I could with them. Saw my dad last year, probably the first in nearly a decade in of itself. I want to spend time just sitting at a beach watching the waves come in. Or seeing a mountain for the first time.

I don't want to work. I've never wanted to work. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't do nothing, I don't want to be lazy. Like, my ideal "job" is working in engineering on the Enterprise with Geordi. But that can't happen. So really I just want enough money so if I do work, I have enough money to tell upper management their plans "aka shit they saw on LinkedIn" is fucking stupid. What you going to do fire me, I'd be rich, that's not a threat! Eat shit you overpaid worthless peices of shit... (I might have some things to work on...,)

[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

More like society has some things to work on.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

ITT: tons of people defending capitalism by forswearing the last 200,000 years of social progress.

To quote Bernie, who might have been quoting someone else: poverty isn't an inevitability. It's a policy choice.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Just plain inaccurate. There are no staunch capitalists on this website.

That being said, getting to do work and gain access to goods through that can provide a sense of safety as you are able to sustain yourself. But there are loads of caveats to every part of that sentence.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 85 points 19 hours ago (27 children)

Remember that capitalism is designed to force you to work under threat of death by starvation. You never had freedom to choose what to do with your lives it was chosen for you.

[–] gigachad@piefed.social 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I guess that's just life, isn't it? I mean people in stone age also lived under the threat of starvation if they just hang out in their caves. Of course, capitalism is the industrialized professional version of this, but I don't think this is inherently capitalistic.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

The difference is that we have all the tools and resources to not live like caveman nowadays. We could feed everyone if we wanted to, but the government would rather fire another barrage of missiles at impoverished people

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[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Hunter/gatherer and early farming societies typically had a lot more leisure time than we do today. Some researchers estimated they only 'worked' 15-30 hours a week, and a lot of that was dependent on seasons. In addition, their egalitarian structure and lack of pursuit for excess material goods meant no pressure for long work hours.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Hunter/gatherer and early farming societies typically had a lot more leisure time than we do today. Some researchers estimated they only ‘worked’ 15-30 hours a week

That figure is both not a consensus, and it's a number of hours that's referring to time spent on food procurement only, nothing else of what's needed to live/survive.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As opposed to nature where you are forced to hunt for food under threat of starvation.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago

Most species have better social safety nets than capitalism does, though.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 38 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

What we've been trained to identify as "work" under this power hierarchy is more definitively "toil". The definition has been overridden so that we cannot differentiate the bait and switch.

Work is labor that benefits the person doing it, is self-actualizing, is voluntary, and is an overall positive experience.

Toil is labor without clear benefit. It is not fun. It is repetitive and draining. It is often involuntary or coerced.

For most who labor under capitalism, the labor they perform is not actually work, but toil.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 10 hours ago

Out of curiosity, Source 2, pls. Thx.
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Thanks for the Source of this Image!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 16 hours ago

If we wanted to perform labor, we wouldn't have invented machines or fantasize about robot butlers.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

am unemployed and volunteer my time to help the community, have never been so busy. will have more time to rest once I get a job

[–] TomArrr@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I have some bad news for you

I was less busy when I did a postdoc.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 22 points 19 hours ago

I have several hobbies that could make bank if I wanted to put in time and effort.

That requires treating executive dysfunction, which can't happen unless I have money. In order to get money I have to work jobs I absolutely hate, and that suck all energy and will to live out of me, and I don't want to do anything with my hobbies.

If I didn't have to worry about food, housing, and whether I have electricity or not, I could sell a handful of things a month and be just fine on utilities and a luxury purchase every so often.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

People do want to work! Loads of people build all sorts of things for the joy and satisfaction of the craft. Plenty of people volunteer to help people - literally the definition of doing something you don't have to do! Anyone that says that isn't work is delusional.

We need a new word for what we call "work". No one wants to be exploited for their effort, but most people have always had the desire to do some sort of work.

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[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 14 hours ago

People want to be useful. What people don't want is to have the surplus value of their labor stolen from them. People are cool with working and helping out others as long as they actually get to reap what they sow and not have it stolen from them.

[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 3 points 14 hours ago

Does my desire to rot mean nothing to you, ma’am? (Rest is different than that, for those who don’t understand and are haters)

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