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[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 130 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

As the Pentagon doesn't ~~host~~ promote services for the holidays of other religions to the same extent as they do for evangelical Protestantism, this is a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

Edit: Highlighted corrections to the above statement in italics.

[–] MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app 74 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Just add it to all the other violations.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

I'll just put this violation with the other violations, then…

[–] RyanDownyJr@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it's added to the list of "so sue me" which is basically this administration response on anything they have done in the last year and change

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What are you going to do about it? Is the only question that matters to this gangster Administration.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 4 points 6 days ago (10 children)

The Constitution allows for the possibility of a gangster Administration. Checks and balances. The hope was that the Supreme Court and Congress would keep the executive branch in check.

The Constitution also recognizes that no system is perfect, so it adds the right to bear arms. Not for sport. Not for defense. The Second Amendment exists specifically to fight tyranny. Just in case the elections get rigged and an extremist party takes control.

Such an unlikely scenario, amiright?

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[–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This is false.

The Pentagon hosts a Ramadan dinner (at the end of the holiday, to celebrate the conclusion of the fasting ritual).

The Pentagon has hosted Hanukkah menorah lighting ceremonies. (I'm not sure if they still do.)

The issue here isn't the sponsoring of a religious activity. The function of the military is to send soldiers to their deaths. Those soldiers who need spiritual support should absolutely have access to it.

The issue is that the president and the defense secretary have incorporated evangelical Christianity into their cronyism. Religion is being used as a litmus test for loyalty.

Signed,

A pragmatic (ex-militant) atheist

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[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm Episcopalian. One of my mentors was a wonderful old bishop who once noted that Christianity goes through a sort of 500-year cycle where we see segments of the church get real wealthy and in bed with political power, followed by a group that seeks reforms, who then themselves become the "in-group." The Protestant Reformation happened about 500 years ago, protesting the wealth and political hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church...

Watching the Western world the past several decades has convinced me that we're witnessing Protestantism's "high medieval era" moment. I wonder what the new reformation will look like? It'll probably all happen a lot quicker than the Protestant Reformation's process did.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I kinda hope the new one will be an actual, ACTUAL "love thy neighbor" Christianity.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I like the Satanists too

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Love thy neighbour and fuck his wife?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 4 days ago

That's what it's all about, just like they did in old Muenster 😉

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

If it ends up being the Mormons I swear to god...

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh I’m gonna loooove asking my MAGA Catholics about this!

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Are there any? Pope has made it clear maga is not aligned with Catholic Church

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Really?

I honestly didn't know that cause I thought the circle was all "Evangelical" or at least posing as that.

[–] ZombieChicken@reddthat.com 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Vance is supposedly Catholic. He's also been called out by two popes for how bad of a Catholic he is. I wouldn't doubt that he's converted and no longer functionally Catholic, if he ever rreally was one.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

He's a cultish cuntish Catholic like Thiel. In fact he probably converted to demonstrate his servility to Thiel.

And Vance made the rookie mistake of lecturing the Pope on some of his cultish bullshit. For a person devoid or charisma or original ideas, he really is an arrogant shit.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

All the conservative members of the Supreme Court are RC.

[–] a_queer_one@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, there are absolutely Catholics to the left of the pope, less than under Francis but still.

The whole "trad-cath" movement is essentially a rejection of Vatican II reforms. Hell, Nick Fuentes is Catholic

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago

you mean to the right of the pope no? unless you mean the one who liked the high price shoes.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 5 days ago

Favoring one religion over another is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 57 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And us Atheists who point out that all the various Gods are fucking fanfic have to shut up and take it

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean, take what?

That the exclusive nature of any base doing anything religious is smaller this time than it normally is?

Like, I'm a vet, I'm an atheist...

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

If it was slightly more inclusive it wouldn't be news and no one would care about every still excluded.

Which just means more people realize how fucked any religious association is, and that modern chaplains should be replaced with trained social workers.

Overall Kegsworth overstepping early works like a vaccine

Bro...

If you think he's bad, do you have any idea what the Air Force has been like for decades?

Here's an article from 20+ years ago illustrating it's a known problem we just won't fix:

Professor KRISTEN LESLIE (Yale Divinity School): And she was scared and was not able to move, and so the other cadets in a way to cheer her on were trying to support her but yelling very evangelical, `Jesus will be with you. Jesus will save you,' and that struck us as odd as a way to motivate someone in an environment that is not intended to be a religious environment.

BRADY: During a Protestant church service, Leslie says chaplains urged cadets to proselytize their bunk mates and warned that if they didn't turn their lives over to Jesus...

Prof. LESLIE: ...they would burn in the fires of hell.

https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy

You know who runs the Air Force Academy board now?

Erika fucking Kirk.

They religious far right have been grooming incoming officers for decades and now they're 20-30 year high ranking officers.

...

And you're mad that the annual Christian celebration just now cut off Catholics?

All this does is make that demo realize they're on our side whether they like us or not

Edit to add:

Like, this the "second wave KKK" type shit that's been around a century already, but these movements always get less inclusive:

The Ku Klux Klan that surfaced in the 1920s formed the second wave of Klan activity in the United States. Unlike the first emergence of the Ku Klux Klan, formed in the South in 1868 and mainly concerned with keeping black people from exercising their new freedoms, the second wave of the Ku Klux Klan focused their efforts on a wider range of issues. This new wave portrayed themselves as a race-protecting group that “espoused a virulent form of racism, anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism, and anti-immigrant sentiment.”1 Secondly, they saw themselves as “moral, law-abiding citizens dedicated to political and civil reform, civic improvement, and the defense of traditional American values.”

https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/kkk_i49.htm

They've been focusing on all the military academies for generations now. They prosetlyze like crazy even tho it's against regs, and prey on people during training when they're most suceptible.

And just a week ago Kegsworth forbid Chaplins from displaying rank, and intead show an icon of their faith. While at the same time shrinking the number of options from 200 to 31...

I'm not saying don't be pissed, I'm saying be pissed at the shit that matters, not the shit that gains us reluctant allies

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The drunk bastard is turning the Pentagon into a church and the US military will become the Christian version of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

Fucking Dominionists. Harder to get rid of than cockroaches.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

If only we had a "liberal media", they would be quite busy asking more questions about the Seven Mountain Mandate and scum of the Earth like Drinky Pete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

Not one of these assholes believes in the Constitution nor what America is supposed to stand for. And no, this place was not founded as Jesusland.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

They need to randomly breathalyzer him. If he's found to have any alcohol in his system, it a felony. The second in command of our military services is a raging alcoholic. I live with one a couple years ago. You can not trust them with you Pets let alone Military lives. If you have family or friends in the military I would tell them to demand Sneaky Pete isn't blacked out drank when sending troops and Iranians to their deaths. Freaking crazy. Drug Test Pete! He's obviously drunk every time on TV but no one is calling it out.

[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Where are your MAGA friends now, Opus Dei?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

Sounds like the Pope's getting fed up with those reactionary shitheads too.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago

I hope that everyone refuses to serve in Hegseth's Army. He wouldn't put his life on the line for the troops, even if they happened to be Protestant.

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

Was there not an entire deal during the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation hearings where the GOP was up in arms about the left being 'anti-Catholic' for questioning her beliefs about abortion and about queer rights? And now they're doing this?

I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy, I just feel like it merits pointing out.

[–] Steve@communick.news 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What about Sataists who reject the Cult of the NVMe?

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago

May their budget be adequate in these trying times.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

And probably not even the less-bad kind of Protestants. More like the pro-slavery drive-through-church snake-juggling glossolalists.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Fuck Heslgsetu with a hot poker and all, but this is not as bad as it sounds.

It's just saying there's only 1 Christian service for Good Friday, and it's Protestant. The reason for that is probably because Catholic Mass is less inclusive than Protestant. For instance: you have to been through Catholic Confirmation to take part in Communion in a Catholic Mass, whereas Protestant churches typically have open communion allowing anyone - including Catholics - to take part.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He probably thinks he's teaching the Pope a lesson for disagreeing with him.

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