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President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.

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[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 154 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn't want out help anyway

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.

Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.

I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.

There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn't commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Technically we were trying to help out France with the Vietnam war

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Also, from what he's said previously, apparently we already won the war?

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Pete's Warriors just need a little bit of help. Warriors ask for help don't they?

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[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fool doesn't understand that any "joint military action" will trigger WW3

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that's the intent of whoever is telling Trump what to do.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

then THAT "whoever" is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They're dumb if they think they will come out on top.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 38 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.

Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it's the only reason Israel even exists.

Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Hell, it's the only reason Israel even exists.

This is an understandably common view, but it's not true. The only fundamental change WWII brought to Palestine was weakening the British Empire; Zionists, partially due to British support, were by far the ascendant group in Palestine as early as 1939, so Israel was going to appear as soon as the British left Palestine. Zionist wealth and diplomacy, Arab weakness and division, Western colonial ambitions and British colonial policy made something resembling the current situation inevitable with or without WWII.

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[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You seem pretty confident in that

if you ask me to gamble on starting of a nuclear war vs. it not happening.. I wouldn't risk it.

Look at the outcomes of WWII

I did look at the outcomes. It was quite a different set of circumstances.

  1. Most of the world did not have Nuclear Missiles.
  2. We didn't have Social Media to the extent to allow a small group of people to spread FUD so easily.
  3. We didn't have global mega-corps manipulating the fabric of society with impunity. The average CEO is out of touch with workers and only thinks ahead 3 months. There is a lot of arrogance and ignorance about concepts beyond one's understanding.
  4. Making Money/Having Clout is the only metric of success.
  5. Human induced climate change is messing with the ecological system and making it difficult to rely on crops. It will hit hard especially when we are not paying attention due to pointless wars.
  6. There is a fucking betting market for if a child gets bombed to bits in some part of the world, and a pedophile and his cabinet seem to be doing insider trading on it.
  7. Every fucker is a racist or facist or adjacent. Empathy has taken a permanent sabbatical.

Wars exist to benefit the ruling class. But if all of the ruling class dies it's fucking stupid.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would love to see the day their faces realize they are going to jail as the handcuffs click

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They want the world to end, so Jesus will come.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The moment anyone else moves to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.

[–] Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay, great, let us know if you need a hand dismantling U.S. bases in Europe

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 14 points 1 week ago

Or like in Afghanistan, just leave everything behind and gtfo.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Draft dodging pedophile says what?

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (19 children)

They never were. We were there for them though. There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all": the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 week ago

The word "allies" means people who work together for a common goal. When Trump made up his own goals (e.g., tariffs, wars), he got rid of those. So there's nothing to ally around.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh no! Anyways…..

Trump speed running making the US irrelevant again.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 34 points 1 week ago

I thought he didn't need help? Never shuts up about how much he's winning.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

The only country in NATO to invoke the defence retaliation clause in 60 years is the US, following SEP 11.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They never were. For decades the US has only been in NATO for it's own enrichment and it's own defence. The ballistic early warning radar that the US have in the UK aren't of any use to us, flight times from Russia are so short that we'd not be able to react. But they do give the US a significant amount of time to be warned of inbound nukes and to do something about it for them.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

At least we have time to react when Trump sends the nukes. :)

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

I find it helpful to picture Zoidberg whenever Trump opens his mouth.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago

as his russian and israeli handlers commanded.

[–] Foni@piefed.zip 17 points 1 week ago

We don't need your help, we are satisfied that YOU DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKING PLANET AND THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why don't they just ask their best buddy Israel to step up their game?

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

The problem, you vainglorious asshole, is that you wouldn't have been anyway and everyone has realized that. And now that you've pissed away all of America's good will you have no leverage.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was the US there to help them before?

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

kthxbye, asshole.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When was it ever? Since WWII, what has the US done for Europe?

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

The world needs to cut the US out entirely for the foreseeable future.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

UK should ground all US assets at its air force bases, and tell US "As soon as you cease illegal attack operations, we with rest of world, will return SoH back to normal." Thank you for your attention on this matter.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The usa will be there to help in the future, once trump is dead and gone, but only if there is anything left of it after trump and his cronies suck it dry.

[–] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The problem is the views that got Trump elected will still be there in the country for the foreseeable future. So ultimately the USA is not a reliable member of NATO at any point since Trump was first elected. The USA is no longer a member they just haven't changed the treaties yet. That won't be going back at any point in the lifetime of anyone who lived through the Trump era.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Democrats will be there to serve Israel once Trump is gone.

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[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What a fucking child. Your president, america!

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mofo should go pound sand. What an ass.

Putin is all too happy seeing this happening.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I'm not convinced help would have been forthcoming had it been required, so ummm, ok I guess. Whatever.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

it would be good to see him get impressed or politically neutered or both or other things

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

This guy is like a cartoon villain.

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