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They never were. We were there for them though. There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all": the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.
Really? Let's check that:
You check it with a Wikipedia source. Not the most trustworthy of sources.
Here's another source.
The fact remains article 5 was used after the terrorist attack on the US and NATO members responded. It has been the only time article 5 was used, and it was in response to an attack on the USA. Just like NATO article 5 states, the US it's allies came to help. Not just a tiny operation, but years and years of deployment in Afghanistan. I myself took part in operation Active Endeavour for which I earned 2 medals.
So Trump his argument that NATO won't help the US while the US always helped NATO, is bullshit.
Most NATO countries even helped when the US attacked Iraq without proper cause. There are also NATO countries helping the US in counter drugs operations around the Carribean, even outside jurisdictional zones of overseas territories.
The US has always been a war monger, with economy thriving around that. Since the second World War the US has been the agressor, the bully, not the protector it claims to be.
Did your military brain forget that Wikipedia is not a primary or even a secondary source, but they cite those?
Ever heard of RAND Corporation? Well their ‘The Counterterror Coalitions: Cooperation with Europe, NATO, and the European Union’ says:
U.S. officials soon responded that they would welcome an invocation of Article 5, even though they later stressed that they had not officially asked NATO to do so.
How about NATO Defense College, whatever that is?
the White House had approved the invocation of Article 5, nothing more
Meaning approved, but didn't invoke themselves.
My point is that NATO countries came to aid as required by NATO article 5 after the attacks on the US on 9/11, which has been the only time NATO article 5 was used. While Trump claims NATO countries never helped the US.
What is your point exactly?
So far you've come with loads of text proving my point, what are you trying to achieve here?
Are you aware anyone can edit Wikipedia? I used to work in Intel, you don't have to tell me how sources work. I can tell you Wikipedia is forbidden to be used in Intel.
Here's an article on Wikipedia and it's flaws.
So you claim article 5 wasn't used when the US was attacked in 2001? Again, what are you trying to prove here?
Question: did NATO countries came to aid when the US was attacked on 9/11 2001, in compliance with NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all"? Or did NATO countries never helped the US, like Trump claims?
Another question: do you have to be so rude?
So you claim that when a country joins NATO and agrees to its terms, it's a matter of choice whether they oblige to the rules of being in NATO?
Is that how your insurance company works too? The contract you sign states: "If you pay a monthly fee we will cover expenses in case of theft." Case of theft: "Nah mate, go fuck yourself."
Can you at least acknowledge article 5 was used once during the entire existance of NATO, when the US was attacked on 9/11?
And can you acknowledge article 5 states "an attack against one is an attack against all", which is a term countries are to agree with when they join NATO and should follow in case one of it's allies gets attacked?
So when the US was attacked, it was the duty of all NATO members, as stated by the terms of NATO, specifically article 5, to join the war with the US?
Also, I didn't serve in 2001, I was still in high school back then. I did Active Endeavour in 2012 as my country, among many others, were pulled into the American shit show for over 20 years.
Sorry mate, I don't understand why something as simple as this can be so hard for someone to understand. You even provide sources yourself proving my point yet you claim I'm wrong and are pretty rude.
Maybe try to find some joy in life, go out and drink some beer, meet some friends, I think you need it.
It's hilarious that someone can seriously think that NATO sloshing around in Mediterranean for a bit and flying around over the US a little constituted any kind of a serious response. The US themselves said they didn't want any more of that silliness.
And, you once again contradict yourself and weasel out of what you said in the first place. The fact, which you just confirmed in the above comment, is that the article 5 response was triggered by NATO. The US didn't ask for it.
Mate, I hope you're the first one to win the lottery when they enact the draft since you clearly have no appreciation of the lives lost by your allies over the two decades of pointless war in the middle east. From what I've been told, the US marines needed to have their hands held by allied equivalents since they were so dumb. Americans couldn't even figure out on their own that if you're driving a convoy through enemy territory at night, it might behoove you to turn off the lights lmao. Story from a primary source that I don't have in writing unfortunately, but it was a good laugh. Good luck surviving without any allied help, hope the USAF packs enough diapers.
Much like 9/11 was caused by the US itself, the IRGC is ruling Iran begause of the US (and yes, also the UK). So it's again you guys who created the mess in the first place and then you decided to take stab the hornets nest and complain that nobody is helping you this time, when you are clearly not appreciative of the help last time around. Iran wasn't doing shit outside of occasionally standing up against the zionists, till Trump decided he could do a 3 day special military operation and make everything groovy again.
Some 40 countries still had personnel in Afghanistan in 2021 when the withdrawal took place. Both NATO and non-NATO allies of the US. That's two decades of support in what was an American fuckup in the first place (CIA literally created Bin Laden and guess who propped up the Taliban in the first place). Look up Operation Resolute Support.
Fact of the matter is, even though only two operations happened under article 5, most NATO member countries continued to assist voluntarily out of a sense of duty to our allies - unfortunately that's something Americans seem to lack these days.
Hey Rainbolt, I'm not USian and never stepped foot in an English-speaking country. So keep hoping.
Why fellate Trump like that then lmao
You think Trump was the president in 2001? Good god, you really need to learn some history.
You're just trying to justify his talking points lol.
Idk who was president of the US in 2001 in your version of history, but in mine it was Bush and he asked for more allied troops in 2008, why would he do that if they'd been so useless the prior 7 years? Should've just sent only American troops then.
There were times during his first term when his administration was pissed at other NATO members, yes, but the actual reason had nothing to do with the Europeans' fighting capabilities. It was more about disagreements over whether the US should get to dictate things unilaterally, as well as some countries outright declaring they wouldn't join the Iraq invasion.
Also, both General Franks and SECDEF Rumsfeld are largely credited with the strategic failures in the early part of the Afghanistan war. It's literally why both were driven into retirement even though Rumsfeld wanted to keep Franks around and Bush wanted to keep Rumsfeld around. Much of the Anti-European sentiment in the early 00s US military brass came from those two.
Trump's talking points is that neither USians nor NATOans should be entitled to spinning bullshit on the web? Wow, that's an incredible discovery. The Nobel prize should probably be awarded to you for such an earth-shaking revelation.
Ah, I see you're out of arguments because your bullshit is so transparent. Bye bye
So? I stated it was used only once, when the US was attacked. As this is one of the articles of NATO.
How?
That's what NATO article 5 means. How is that so hard for you to comprehend?
The US was attacked, it's NATO allies came to aid as required by being a member of NATO.
You claim the US didn't ask for it, but they did when they created NATO after WW2 with the other nations, as it is one of the prerequisites for being a member of NATO. How are you unable to understand the meaning of what article 5 means?
Let me explain it in simple terms.
You have a friend. You agree with your friend that when one of you gets into a fight, the other one automatically joins in to help you. So you're in a bar, get into a fight with this asshole who punches you in the face, so your friend who you made this deal with jumps in and starts bashing this asshole's face.
That's NATO article 5.
Are you going to complain you didn't ask your friend first to join into the fight, even though you already made a pact with him?
The US asked for it by being a member of NATO. If they don't want help from it's pact allies they shouldn't have created or agreed to article 5.
On another note:
But boy, did they beg for help with Afghanistan and Iraq. And they begged everyone not to leave as they were fucking everything up big time. And now they're begging for help with another war, which they started just like Iraq. And fucking it also up big time.
Amazing how you weasel unabashedly out of what you yourself have said before.
Question: “There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all"” — which country is that? Can you answer that without dodging your own phrasing?
Man, chill out and learn to have a conversation. Insults were absolutely uncalled for. If there's a misunderstanding in the wording of things you should try to solve it in order to carry on a conversation online.
Enjoy the sunny day!