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do they need clearer goals?
They need more persistence and more frequency.
1day protests every 4 or 5 months isn't putting pressure on anyone.
Peaceful protests do not put pressure on anyone. They don't achieve anything except showing public support for a cause.
Unless protests turn into more direct forms of action such as blockades or riots, nothing will happen.
These protests are a place for organizing and networking.
But what's really being danced around is "Why are there not politicians converting this movement into effective policy?"
And we all know that the power brokers and leaders of the political parties are being paid to ignore them and keep it a leaderless and rudderless movement. We saw the exsct same thing with Occupy Wall Street and thst resulted in lobbyists codifying their bribery into law.
Oh look. The same attack they used against Occupy Wall Street. Expect it to be repeated until its accepted wisdom.
Exactly. They're just frustrated because it's too loose for them to make a good target out of.
A hugely important aspect is to put your money where your mouth is. Vote with your wallet - this administration cares about you more as a consumer than as a citizen.
Be mindful of where you spend your dollars. Shop with local businesses that deserve your money. Single day boycotts of giants like Amazon and Walmart aren’t helpful if you’re just going to show up tomorrow and buy from them anyway. Find alternatives and really consider who will be benefitting from every dollar you have to spend.
Pay in cash. Use local swap or buy nothing groups. Try lending libraries and second hand stores. Give homemade gifts and baked goods instead of store bought presents. Go without. We have been conditioned to live our lives laden down with so much stuff, and truly so many occasional use items don’t need to be owned by every individual household.
"No Kings" - Sounds like a clear goal to me. Excuse me now while I get ready 🇺🇸
Turn "No Kings" into a general strike. Ask the French, they are the experts.
The folks I know who are taking more tangible action are not posting about it online, and there’s more of them as time passes. Don’t be passive, talk to people irl, and be smart about your choices and actions. We all have different roles and different levels of risk tolerance.
For everybody who says that the no kings protests are useless: they're not. They provide a space for people to meet those in person to start taking tangible action.
The protests aren't the action, they're an act of organization, which is how you get action.
Exactly, they are an important tool in normalizing a resistant mindset. They get headlines, and it shows others who might be on the fence that the movement is growing. It gives people hope, unifies them.
So even without a cause, we all know what we’re protesting. Normalize the resistance, make it ordinary, make it default. We’ve been listening to their bullshit long enough, I just want to some time to shout myself.
Then I come home motivated and get to work.
This right here is why the “nothing ever happens nothing will be done” people are, at best, unwittingly doing the regimes job for them. When you see that as one of the top comments on nearly every post, it makes ya wonder if it’s not deliberate.
Clearer goals? Its pretty straightforward
Any goal would be productive.
Edit: There aren't any demands being made so they don't feel the pressure enough. I know it's about getting together to get the discourse started but meanwhile Trump has started a war without warrant or approval, and that's just the most recent thing he's done. He's planning on messing with the election/voter roll next. Some opposition is needed.
It's good to protest but if everything returns to normal Monday morning, then thsy don't have to change anything.
The morning after the protest in Minnesota ICE shot Alex Pretti. Justice for them should be demanded.
I think "Trump bad" is a legit reason
I agree. I think Miller and his dweeb crew have "flooded the zone" - done so much outrageous and horrible shit as quickly as possible - so effectively that protesting over specific issues just doesn't work right now. It's not that little Donnie has done one or more specific bad things that we want him to change policies on. Little Donnie is going out of his way to do as many bad things as possible, and by the time we organize a protest about bad thing number 67, he's already moved on to bad things number 69, 88, and 108. "Go back to Epstein Island and put the adults back in charge" is the only rational message for a mass protest right now.
The only thing that's going to get their attention is a general strike. As long as Frank Freeway is more worried about getting fired than he is about what kind of society we're going to live in, that's not going to happen.
Fuck yes
I've said this before nokings 1, and nokings 2
If it's just going to be protest parades, then don't even bother, you're wasting your time.
Let me be very clear: nokings 1 & 2 changed. nothing.
If you want to change things, protest for weeks, protest in from of the Whitehouse and don't leave until the Cheeto is gone
"Letting the perfect get in the way of the good."
Most people can't stop working and/or travel to DC for endless protests, but they can go out on a Saturday afternoon.
If that's the least someone can do, don't tell them not to.
I live in a fairly rural area and I see about weekly if not maybe every 2 weeks (maybe im not passing through at right times every week) protests against ice / no kings. I'm not trying to say protests are useless, but it hasn't made a difference YET. I do think the more people see how unhappy Americans are with the administration that helps reflect on how our country is perceived by others, as most Americans are unhappy with what's going on. I do think it's very important if your going to protest to go vote. No 8 don't mean presidential and mid term, I mean all your local elections too. Most people don't realize how much local changes actually can effect you more than federal ones, and if u get all the right people in local office I think that will "trickle up" and spread through higher offices. Vote at the booth, vote with your wallet, and don't stop making noise when things need to be heard! Even if no policy change comes from a protest at least awareness was raised, and it's better than sitting down and taking it. (This is being typed from my porcelain throne while I skip out on protests because I have a huge backlog of chores around the house so don't listen to this hypocrite)
Protests are also useful to network and build organizations and skills.
Don't listen to naysayers like this idiot
The [no kings] movement is also leaderless.
So ... they should elect a king to follow?
Of course, the Trump administration needs someone to target as a domestic terrorist. The entire country can't be labelled domestic terrorists, they obviously need a leader... Who can be made an example of
No Kings
Seems like a pretty clear goal to me.
No billionaires or AIPAC is better
“It’s a declaration of intent that we are going to return power back to the people.”
I mean, that sounds good but, when did the people have power? Are you just trying to get back to the system that gave us Trump? Why did that system give us Trump and what effects was it having on Americans and people around the world?
You can tell that I'm British so I'm clearly not showing up to these protests. But we all have skin in this game as we're all affected by the American Empire, especially today. We need you to get this right and not go back to a world that gave us Nixon, Bush, Bush, Trump and a president that promised hope and change and delivered a healthcare plan from the Heritage Foundation. We really need Americans to understand that the status quo has wrecked our planet and we need to try for something very different.
American here. You and I are on the same page
Also, No Kings is at least a way to meet people. I hope people use it for that
How about "try this entire administration for treason?"
No kings needs to become No Oligarchs. All that MAGA responds with are taunts like "we dont have a king" and "We havent had a king in 250 years".
Maybe if they would do this at way shorter intervals? June 25, October 25, March 26 - with such large gaps, you won't grab long-term attention.
... they need better arms and supplies.
Power respects power.
Sorry, didn't make the rules, but that is how history actually works.
Yep, there are exceptions, within a spectrum.
But generally speaking, being loud and annoyed is not enough, not against a State that is rapidly turning its instruments of devastation inward.
Having a giant group therapy session is great and all... but if it doesn't actually lead to any ... material changes... its just a group therapy session.
This guy gives up too soon and pretends he knows things absolutely. Go out and protest today with positivity and hope for change in your heart. "Can't you see you've already been conquered!" is bullshit mentality.
Arms don't provide political power on their own. They are an important part of a much more diverse array of tactics and tools to do so, but building strong mutual aid networks and community is even more important.
I'd like to see every governor that still respects the constitution to activate their State Defense Force.
Send a crystal clear message that true patriots are ready to defend the constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic.
It should be hosted in the same place trump held his rally before the capital was stormed. At the conclusion of the protest everyone should walk to the capital building for "selfies".
How much clearer can it be?