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How would it work if the price changed between getting the item off the shelf and paying for it? Will I have to take a picture of every price tag in case the price goes up?
Ideally they should keep prices locked for 24 hours between changes
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Great joke!
Theoretically these have a lot of benefits as well, like saving on paper and ink. One barker could last as long as thousands of prices over its lifetime, and mean staff don't have to spend time changing them.
I mean, capitalism gonna capitalise and they'll be used for evil, mostly, but.
I wonder if they're all wired or run off batteries? If the former, then there's a single point of failure, if the latter then ho boy do I have a plan for a zigbee/wifi/whatever device.
Its funny everyone shits the bed that prices might go up when low margin grocers raise prices, but the Fed is out there pumping out 8% more money supply a year, and they further increase that printing if that money simply bids up stocks or home values.
Then they think its grocery stores raising prices 30c that's making billionaires trillionaires, not the annual 8% money supply growth actively debasing peoples wages. When you're measuring things in a rapidly expanding commodity what did people expect would happen?
This should absolutely be illegal. Not to mention how the prices don't include taxes, you don't know the real price you pay until you're already at the checkout which is horseshit. It's no wonder that online shopping has become much more popular.
Ironically, these "digital labels", although problematic in their own right, could help with that.
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Currently if the store employees have missed a price change on a product, it might actually cost more than the sign says
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It would be pretty to easy to make those include tax IF these digital labels know which store they're in.
They'd never do 2 because they like having the fake lower price listed so people are more likely to buy it.
... Yeah, you're probably right.
I'm just used to living in a country where VAT is included in prices in stores anyway
I remember the culture shock of owing more than was listed on the price when coming back to the States.
I've only ever been in one state (NY; most time was spent upstate rather than in NYC), luckily the rate wasn't too high (something under 10% combined state + local depending on county/city I believe? Compared to 24% VAT here). Kinda tripped me up, BUT I made it make more sense by looking at the price in dollars as if it was in euros as I was mostly paying by card whenever possible anyway, so the amount that went off my bank account was fairly close to what was on the price tags.
If I were to ever visit again, it'd be even better since the USD is now weaker, but tbf with this admin and the social media history requirement, I don't think I'd even get into the country anyway so even being white enough to hopefully not be harassed by ICE isn't enough nowadays lmao.
Oh, I can't imagine voluntarily coming here now. Maaaaybe in the future if we somehow get our shit together, but that's a big if! The dollar will probably be super weak after all the punching ourselves in the face we'll have been doing by then, too.
To be fair if I'm coming over then it'd be for one of two things. Either one of my freelance customers has a big project they want me to work on full time and in-person, in which case they'd likely want me in a pretty damn hot and red part of the country, for which they'd have to pay me at least double my already decently high hourly rate (I'd be ok with this if I got triple digits hourly) - and I don't think they have any such projects coming up... Or more likely, one day I want to visit the country with my kid, go on a roadtrip, see some of the national parks, etc. They're currently way too young to appreciate that so I think it'd make more sense in like 7 or 8 years. By then I'm hoping the fascism has died down.
There would otherwise be more reason for me to visit - I have experience with some niche software built purely for the US market and do think I could architect a competitor in a market that only has choices ranking from bad to worse... But at this rate, I don't trust the US to be a stable enough business environment for me as a foreigner in particular.
I imagine visiting the US when/if we manage to overcome our fascism problem would be similar to what it was like to visit Germany in the 50s.
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And they're already dogshit in practice. Some of them are broken, we can't tell where to put things because the stupid digital interface glitches. People misplace them. They aren't properly installed or they're a pain to install. They don't even blink when you try to find something.
Oh yeah, what a wonderful investment...
I worked in a Walmart on the overnight shift (cleaning, separate company) when they rolled them out 3+ years ago here in Canada. They've honestly become the norm in grocery stores and other large stores here. If some company was going to be sleazy about them, it probably would've happened already (Loblaws, I'm looking at you).
I straight up asked why they were being installed, and it's two-fold. One, they can save money cause now they don't have to pay staff to go around and change the little paper tags, which takes an absurd amount of manpower and is easy to fuck up. And two, they can all be changed over to a barcode/QR code during inventory, which speeds up the whole process. I'll be the last person to defend corpos, especially Walmart, but I don't think this one was done with the intentions of directly fucking over the customer.
I feel like it's one of those things that someone came up with the benign idea first, and then later some jackass was like "Hey, we could use these to change the prices every time a customer looks at it."
Best buy and other stores have genuinely already been using these for ages.
I've worked retail and one of the things that baffled me was just how wasteful price tags were.
They change SO OFTEN and it's so much paper and plastic just tossed it the trash every time. Never even thought about it until I worked at a store and had to change them.
God, right?! I could fill a bag full of the things nearly every day when I was cleaning before they switched over! I literally had a little bin I'd save them up in to take home to use as kindling for the fire pit cause they'd already been replaced. Though, I think the lack of waste is more a pleasant side effect than a reason why these companies did it. Either way, it's still a positive!
They actually have some neat features, if implemented. There's one where you can scan a QR code to go right to the product page where you can get, among other things, more verbose allergen info, reviews, or, if the product is out of stock where you scanned it, it can give you similar alternate products or stores that have stock.
It can also allow you to go on to the website, find your item, and ask the pricetag to flash.then you can look for the flashing pricetag if you can't find the item on the shelf.
I once worked retail and it was a pain to run around printing labels for hours. Granted, I got paid by the hour, so there were much worse things to do.
I also don't believe this is a nefarious plot, but it does enable dynamic pricing. Stores are creepy these days, they have sensors and network hardware that can track you in the store. They also can do facial recognition.
So they know who you are, where you are / where you went, what you ultimately buy (just enter your rewards number!). So they could literally see someone coming and raise prices on certain items as they enter the store.
Not to say that is a strategy companies are actively employing, but all the pieces are there.
Reference to help you sleep at night: https://documentation.meraki.com/Wireless/Operate_and_Maintain/User_Guides/Monitoring_and_Reporting/Location_Analytics
I wish I could boycott them, but haven’t gone there in years
But seriously, they’re not talking about price segmentation, just a more efficient way to update their prices
That's how they get ya
Are the cameras going to detect when I have a fever and then triple the cost of Tylenol?
Actually, they'll start with surprise specials and flash deals, like KMart used to do with their blue light specials. They will use it to discount over-stock as it gets near the sell-by date.
And then, once they've got you used to the prices changing at random times, maybe even getting people to come back in shop in the store more often but offering really great deals (like black Friday started out) . Then they will begin to have "peak pricing", where you pay more on busy days and times.
Technically, a price can change at 9 a.m., change again at 2 p.m., and change again before the dinner rush.
Technically in one sense, maybe. Technically in a practical sense, no. Because the price on the shelf is the agreed price to pay, and if it changes after you put it into your cart, that's gonna break laws.
People are making hay over something that will not happen.
but let's say it does. People will absolutely lose their SHIT. And while companies are stupid, they are not THAT stupid. And even let's say they ARE that stupid: This is the type of the legislatures would love to pass laws about becauase it's easy to do and extremely popular. Like cops running stings. It's easy and shows they're doing something.
So I am absolutely zero worried about this and all this hype is stupid.
Will they changes prices nightly? Sure. Will they change prices multiple times during the day or for individual shoppers? Nope.
And if they were going to pull this shit, they'd already be pulling it online where they can already do that. And yet, not a single fuckin peep about that from any of these people hyping up this thing.
If the price of an item was changed after I pull it off the shelf, I'm telling the cashier to take the item out of my order; and the company can deal with the logistics of restocking the item. For future shopping trips I'm using my smartphone to snap a picture of every price tag as I'm putting an item in my cart. Failure to honor the price on the tag when I pulled it off the shelf is met with me walking the fuck out of the store with nothing. Now you can cancel the entire order and restock a whole cart of groceries. Let's see how many man hours of labor you save then.
You're at Walmart doing grocery shopping, and you fill your cart with all kinds of foods. Are you going to realize the tomatoes are ringing up at $2.51/lbs when the label was $2.40 in?
I don't think it would be illegal, the price tag is not a contract and it's often mislabeled today. The question is, can you get people to accept that the price will go up or down before you checkout, and will they just pay when it goes up or create a new stock return inventory?
If the chicken you've been walking around the store with went up and you decided you didn't want it anymore, that's straight to the trash. What products will they target with this?
I think it's more likely to go down during the day to compete with other stores than to go up on you, but who knows what these greedy fucks are going to do.
Are you going to realize the tomatoes are ringing up at $2.51/lbs when the label was $2.40 in?
You're telling me in this day of grocery prices impacting us that nobody would notice this happening? All it takes is for a very few people noticing it for people to riot.
I would be MORE surprised if there are NOT cases of people claiming this is happening when it's not.
Also, if there are rumours that it is happening, there will be people who take pics of prices on the shelves and compare that to the checkout price. If they find it happening, they WILL post and people WILL be up in arms about it.
Another person replying mentioned gas. People drive miles out of the way to save a nickel per gallon - average tank is like 10-20 gallons, give or take, meaning they will spend a couple of dollars to "save" 50¢-$1.00 or so. People are not rational about these things, and if they try it, someone will catch it, and when they catch it, all hell will break loose.
i remember numbers, so yes?
last time i paid gas was a week ago, 5.359 at sams club if you doubt (i just pulled that out of my ass but it's correct, i checked my phone).
so they are kinda already pulling it online. amazon does it. but like, they let me know when the price of something in my basket changes immediately. big notification.
very different from putting it in your cart and finding out at the checkout. now if you need to make a substitution... godsdammit we gotta go wait in line again? if they do that, they gotta put something on the carts to ding you when something changes or i'll lead the riots myself.
or i’ll lead the riots myself.
This is why they won't. Or if they do, it will not be for long. People will be up in arms. That's why I'm not worried about it happening.
Be sure to handle them appropriately, the screens are vulnerable to damage, and replacing them would be more expensive than printing out a new paper tag. It'd sure be a shame if the corps lost money there.
In a few months:
NEWS BULLETIN on TV: "bad thing" happened today. Prices of most things will go up...
Instantly the prices change before you make it to the cash register