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Progressive here. I vote in every primary and try to rally support for the most progressive in my coalition. Come November, I vote against fascists which means voting for Democrats because they're obviously better in every way.
If you don't vote or vote third party, congratulations, it means you were duped by right-wing propaganda or don't understand how our election system works and the inevitable binary outcome that comes with FPTP and whole you didn't give fascists +2, you gave them +1.
Stockholm syndrome at its finest.
Americans look at the most broken system ever, and you'd think they would come up with ways of fixing it, but instead, they double down on this logic of "lesser evil", and fool themselves into believing that's "good".
It is not.
Choosing the lesser evil means the end result is still evil, it just takes longer.
But sure, disregard all evidence waves arms around that shows the current system is beyond redemption, and line up for the national pastime of "Pick Your Pedo" as a good little boy.
Hit me with those downvotes, I'll ping you when the next presidential election comes around to ask you how your way's been working out.
What else would you propose they do?
Because doing nothing only helps fascists. And voting third party is basically the same as doing nothing.
I think this American is well aware how broken the system is and doesn't support it. They're just trying their best to work with the situation they are given.
This. And if one of the lesser progressive or AIPAC funded candidates get the nomination, I will speak out against their problematic policy positions and try to get them to move away from these views right up until election day (at which time I will go into the voting booth, hold my nose, suppress my gag reflex, and vote for whoever the D choice is (who will always be better than the R choice, at least at the state and national level).
I've gotten more down votes saying exactly this.
In 2020 Biden won with 81.3 million votes. In 2024 Trump won with 77.3 million votes. All we had to do to avoid the mess we are in is turn out with the same "enthusiasm" we had for Biden in 2020.
It's the job of a politician to generate that enthusiasm.
It's the job of my dentist to encourage responsible dental hygiene. But if I don't brush, it's my teeth that rot.
Sorry, but that logic just doesn't work at the population level.
A large group of people isn't going to change if you keep telling them "do better". You have to work with their natural interests and responses. If a politician manages to motivate people, people will vote for them. If they don't, people won't.
I guess the people's teeth will just all fall out then. Too bad the dentist didn't motivate us to brush enough.
Too bad it's seemingly impossible to get a Democratic candidate who anyone actually wants. But sure, keep telling people it's their fault. Worked wonders in '24!
What, Kamala had the agency to change her stance on Israel, which the Democratic campaign knew was a dealbreaker? Sorry, it's an ironclad law of the universe that's not possible. Guess you have to continue going to the dentist who keeps making you gargle literal shit.
So because Kamela didn't change her stance on genocide, you now have Trump who has the exact same stance on genocide, and wants to start 8 wars and a civil war as well.
Congratulations, you played yourself.
Even a dentist that makes you gargle shit is better than the dentist that makes you gargle shit and shoots you in the head afterwards.
This.
Not voting or voting for a third party hands a win to people you don't want winning. The system is not fair, at all -- but that doesn't mean we should operate in a way we know will lead to a bad outcome. We have plenty of evidence that third parties in the US don't really make a dent, but they do sway elections (and generally not how you want). The rest is idealism.
It's also a good example of why single-issue voting means you'll almost always get more collateral damage, even if you get representation you want on that specific issue.
DNC primaries are nothing more than a livestock auction for donors. Libs will cry a big game about FPTP election systems and our need to overturn CU, but will ignore any of those major systemic contradictions when it happens to affirm their worldview
I vote in every damn primary fuck you
Democrats haven't held an unbiased presidential primary since 2008, but go off. Superdelegates will save us.
Based on the timing of this post, I’d assume they’re talking about the midterms for offices like Senator, Representative, County Commissioners, Sheriff, etc, which to my knowledge don’t use superdelegates, but I’d be interested to learn if I’m wrong.
Indeed.
Polls showed Bernie beating Donald head-to-head. Polls showed Hilary losing to Donald head-to-head.
Heard enough from liberals about “electability.”
lol what primaries? As I recall last time we were simply handed Kamala, and everyone I know voted for her despite that. But If Biden had stepped away earlier as he originally claimed to intend to, we would have had time for a real primary. And I would have voted in it.
There's an upcoming midterm election. The Democratic primaries are just getting started for it, in fact the primaries for Texas, North Carolina and Arkansas are starting tomorrow.
Other important Democratic primaries, according to a quick Googling:
- March 17: Illinois (competitive Senate primary to succeed retiring Sen. Dick Durbin)
- May 19: Georgia (Senate primary to challenge incumbent Sen. Jon Ossoff) and Kentucky
- June 2: California (crowded, top-two primary for governor)
- June 9: Maine (competitive Senate primary to take on Sen. Susan Collins)
- August 4: Michigan (open Senate and Governor races)
- August 11: Minnesota (Senate primary) and Wisconsin (Governor primary)
So maybe let's get to it. When the election itself comes around you'll have the usual two-party choice of D or R, which isn't really much of a choice. Hold your nose and vote D in that one regardless of anything else, it's the lesser evil. The primaries are where you can express your political desires more freely without handing a win to the Republicans by picking the less-than-optimal choice.
But what if the election is rigged? But what if there are armed squads of killer ICE agents at the polls? But what about if Trump calls martial law and cancels elections even if it doesn't work that way and states can do what they want anyway??? WHAT IF A PLANE CRASHES ON ME ON THE WAY TO VOTE???
Don't you guys have a second amendment for that?
Water your tree of liberty, then.