How funny that they constantly provide more incentive to NOT get married
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I think it'll disenfranchise more Republicans than Democrats.
First, while women are generally Democrats, the married demographic is more right wing. Especially the ones who changed their names
Second, Dems will be way more motivated that Republicans and will be more willing to jump over a hurdle to vote.
Second, Dems will be way more motivated that Republicans and will be more willing to jump over a hurdle to vote.
See I think that's not the case - although I agree more R women would be affected they're willing to take that hit to disenfranchise all the women who might vote Democratic that either aren't able to, or can't, or just don't want to get a ride to the DMV and get a special permission slip to vote which they used to be able to do with just their name.
I think they're banking on that taking a big bite out of D votes and I think they're right. Rs will vote in a bloc every time, and so reliably they can essentially burn everything down and still get those votes. Ds are way less organized. Which is how most of us prefer it.
Cis women, trans people, and abuse victims. Their favourite targets.
It won't stop married women from voting but it just creates a huge pain in the ass plus basically a poll tax. Since you'll have to pay for copies of your birth certificate, plus getting your marriage license, and of course an ID.
Unconstitutional, but this admin wipes it's ass with that document anyways.
It may stop them from voting depending on the requirements surrounding the birth certificate. The format of certain features or seals are not consistent across the US. Local laws in one place may require something which is not done in the place a person was born. My mother deals with that frequently and I had some issues with that previously. Even of she purchased a replacement birth certificate it would still follow the "wrong" format.
I could see this as a huge problem as well. Plus, you usually have to go in person to pick up those birth certificates. So you live in Florida but born in California. Now you're making a 2k mile trip to vote. I'm sure there are Mail alternatives, but that's just another barrier to add in.
Yeah, I couldn't even get photo ID because the state I was born in used a "certificate of birth" and the state I was living in required a "birth certificate".
It took months to resolve the issue and I only got it fixed by doing a surprise 3 way phone call between offices in both states and had to listen to them argue about it for nearly 20mins. Even then I think I only got my ID because the person in my state was fed up and just wanted to go home for the day.
Oh happy day when MAGA Karens learn this when they try to vote.
No ma'am, hyphenating your name isn't what's on your birth certificate.
Fascism
and Patriarchy
Does that mean Alabama women are safe?
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Every day that passes, I hate these people more and more.
They've managed to antagonize straight marriages, bravo. This is quite possibly the most effective way to get people to think twice before getting married.
why would a married name match a birth certificate name? or are they saying they only marry relatives? do women change birth certs when married? I am not a woman.
but funny story i adoped my stepson after his mom died. he was 14 or so. he was issued a new birth certificate and the “mother” area is … blank.
When you're married, you give up your voting privileges. Your husband will vote for you. Oh, he only gets one vote of course.
Also, if you're not married, you've clearly shown that you're not mature enough to vote. A public servant will be designated to vote on your behalf.
Won’t matter when he cancels elections cause we are in multiple wars.
Why on earth is a birth certificate used at all for identification?
It's proof of citizenship. But also, here it's a convenient and plausibly deniable way to disenfranchise people who vote differently than them.
Long form or short form? Lol
If I’m not married can I vote twice?
So we're all getting two last names like Christian people of other countries? Because this is how you get two last names.
You'd better not change your last name at all when you marry.
Seems to me that if your birth name and married name match, this will disproportionately favor people who marry their siblings or other relatives. I wonder what political leaning that particular segment has 🤔
while i get the joke, i just want to make sure it's clear to anyone coming across this understnds that women who elect to change their name in the merital tradition of erasure are more likely to be conservative, and the women who have the documents to prove their identity (like a passport) are more likely to be progressive.
all that said, the focus on how this will impact women, specifically, is frustrating because it's ignoring the biggest groups of people who will be impacted: immigrants and working poor people. we shouldn't tolerate the disenfranchisement of ~30% of women, so we are clear, but we are positioned to disenfranchise ~80% of immigrants and working poor and no one is talking about it. these are people who are less likely to have ANY of the acceptable documents proposed in the SAVE act.
for context, people experiencing poverty are far less likely to be born in a hospital and have a birth certificate, usually depending on a baptism certificate to establish their government name. meanwhile, immigrants may have a passport, but if it's expired that's unacceptable, and a lot of the nations around the world that issued the birth certificates being required by this law in place of a passport can no longer certify birth certificates simply because they aren't existing anymore. i have multiple friends who can't get their birth certificates right now because that would put them at risk of government retribution because they are asylum seekers. for example, my siberian neighbor isn't going to be getting in touch with the Russian government any time soon.
so in conclusion. the aim is to disenfranchise women and minorities. the majority of the women disenfranchised will be conservative. however, the majority of people disenfranchised will be progressive.
and that's no accident.
Does SAVE require documentary proof of citizenship to vote, or just to register? As I understand it, documentary proof of citizenship is the specific requirement that's hard for anyone who has had a change of name to meet short of a passport or an EDL in the 5 states that offer one.
Basically it changes the types of id that are accepted at voting booths.
When you vote you already have to have registered with appropriate ID to be counted federally. When you show up at the poll this act will change so that only federally issued ID types will be valid. Birth certificates are the most common but if your current name is different than what you were born with for any reason it won't count.
Of these federal id types most of them are opt in varieties and as such are actually more expensive types of specific ID like passports and "REAL ID". A regular old drivers licence as issued by your state won't be good enough anymore even though your name and listed address were verified by the state and already match the name on the voter registration.
Since these id types are more expensive it can make voting the preserve of those who can afford the time and extra money making it a way to disenfranchise economically disadvantaged voters of all stripes .
SAVE calls for "documentary proof of United States citizenship", which it defines in the act itself. A RealID that also verifies citizenship counts (normal RealID doesn't, and only 5 states that offer an "enhanced driver's license" do), so does a passport, a military ID combined with a record of service indicating you were born in the US, a federal, state, or tribal photo ID showing your place of birth was in the US or a federal, state or tribal photo ID combined with a birth or naturalization record.
Most people will fall in that last category. And most valid birth records explicitly require the record be of the same name. The big question I'm not sure of is if in all the small changes amended to the law by SAVE if documentary proof of United States Citizenship is required to vote or merely to register.
Proof of citizenship is already required to register, bringing proof to the voting booth is the extra hurdle this act brings.
20-30% of women keep their maiden name after marriage.
Liberal women are roughly twice as likely as conservative women to keep their maiden name.
So yeah, conservative women screwing themselves and also handing a minor edge to liberal women.