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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

How soon before Windows copies this, given they already tried this sorta lockdown with S Mode?

Also, couldn't Ubuntu hypothetically lock down the Snap store like this?

[–] Blemgo@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

I'm sceptical with Windows, considering that most programs are installed via EXE files, so the outcry will be huge. But I'm not saying it can't be a possibility.

With Ubuntu there would only be a chance of it happening if they also make their distro immutable. That way the user could not as easily install packages the traditional way. But even then there might be ways to disable this immutable mode for troubleshooting. However, this, in my opinion, would cause a mass exodus as Canonical does not have the same advantage as Microsoft or Google have: Windows and android are, to an extent, closed off ecosystems. Thus switching to another system is very hard, as not every software is available on every other system, so potentially subpar alternatives and comparability layers, whose functionality mostly depends on whether the company behind the original system is actively fighting against these tools or not. Ubuntu on the other hand, is a Linux distro, so you cab make it like Theseus and recreate this distro more or less with the sum of its parts, if need be.

[–] Yliaster@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How do we defend our privacy on Android now?

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Privacy isn't really in their interest. They feed off our data.

[–] Yliaster@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

That's obvious, but before, we could use GrapheneOS and F-Droid etc to defend it ourselves. I'm not expecting Google to help, just hoping the resistance has something up its sleeve too.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 23 minutes ago

I'm basically am doing exactly this. But I'm only on GrapheneOS as I had to compromise on some closed apps that refused to run on LineageOS. GrapheneOS means I can compromise on Google a bit without being completely compromised by Google. The market and geopolitical problem remains.

[–] bioluminescence@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

What does this mean for GrapheneOS and similar degoogled android versions?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 17 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.

[–] lbfgs@programming.dev 4 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 24 minutes ago

What are you basing this on? If you say "Chat Control" I will just ignore you.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

Europe has explicitly no problem with this. They showed they have the power to censor Russian media but refuse to do this with European far-right, they just want the local fascists to win.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

Even the premise is too generous:

Why would the leaders of the EU—a project ostensibly built on peace and sovereignty—

How on Earth is the literal cradle of Fascism and colonialism built on peace and sovereignty? The EU is built on neoliberalism and anticommunism, it cannot be built on peace or sovereignty.

[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 3 points 1 hour ago

Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

It is surely called competition law?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install.

[–] i078@europe.pub 6 points 2 hours ago

The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market.

*Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all?

[–] linule@lemmy.world 37 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There need to be enforced of competition law here. Companies aren't going to voluntarily support a platform with few users. Users aren't going to move to a platform without critical apps.

We live in a dystopia were you have to have the banks app to do online banking even on your desktop. You can't charge your car without an app. You can't navigate your car without a map app that has traffic information. Etc etc. I want FOSS alternatives to all these, but there isn't and Google could take even having a FOSS platform at all.

This something we need regulators to fix. It is a politically problem, not a technical one.

America screwing up trust should wake up Europe to dealing with American tech monopolies. Now it's not something just nerds and economists complain about, it is a geopolitical problem.

[–] linule@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Fully agree, there should be regulations, temporary at least, that require/incentivize critical companies to make a mobile Linux version of their apps, as well as strategic funding and incentives to make the platforms viable. We as citizens should contribute too, increasing pressure for this to happen, spreading the message, becoming early adopters where possible, submitting feedback, contributing to development, etc.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 15 minutes ago

We need to support political groups fighting for us, not just think in terms of technology. In the UK it is OpenRightsGroup, maybe the Greens party, in Europe there is the Pirate Party, Greens, Free Software Foundation Europe, and more. We should be trying to get politicians into this.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sailfish is not very alive. Ubuntu Touch too.

But honestly yes. I think the problems are mostly in hardware support.

[–] linule@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The political problems driving the push for independence are fairly recent, so the current state is unlikely to be extrapolable.

There are devices using these operating systems that are also gaining popularity, like Jolla, Volla and Fair phone.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 20 points 5 hours ago
[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 25 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Not sure how I should feel about this, if I should support the cause to keep android "open" (when it's everything but), or if I should be happy that this piece of shit OS finally shows it's true colours and people (including me) will finally be forced to find an alternative or stop using this trashware all together.

And hopefully developers finally get serious about GNU/Linux phones.

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Until Linux Phones get good, we are seeing a very rough sail ahead. Or just hard fork Android ig if it’s a logical option.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I understand, but there's a good argument that android is the reason why GNU/Linux phones don't get good.

The death of android as an "open" platform would put some pressure to actual develop an alternative.

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It won’t die. My country alone will have almost a billion Android users and those cheap Androids are all they can afford and know.

[–] rajano@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I have F-Droid on my Android phone. Iike having a marketplace where I can download floss apps.

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[–] Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc -3 points 1 hour ago

I am fine with it if they let you install stuff through adb.

[–] drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 hours ago

Gonna have to wing Ubuntu touch and figure it out as i go. Fuck this shit. Access the boot loader while you can

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