“Gene Roddenberry’s vision” was usually an upskirt shot.
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Which wasn't helped by Berman.
Oh the short skirts were 100% Gene. Rick is the one with the catsuit fetish. He was the one who decided to shrink wrap Jeri Ryan.
Yeah. You might have been able to see what Marina was eating for lunch, but she and Denise Crosby didn't need rescue oxygen.
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Captain Jellico's "put on a real uniform" command was written in at Marina's request.
Smart move. Even by 1989's standards and fashions, some of the costumes they put her in were hideous.
I'm quite fond of the long dress she got for one season. I'm sure it was hell as a costume, but I thought it looked tasteful. I also have the idea that the psychological/psychiatric lead on the ship ought to look somewhat "different" when she's working. Her uniform should be more casual, because her role is one where you want people to be able to get away from the structure, and to trust her confidentiality. The catsuits were dumb, and the Farpoint / S1 miniskirt was scandalous. but I did like the full-length dress.
Pretty much every "show off the attractive female main character" outfit that they've invented for Trek has not worked for me. Troi's outfits, Seven's outfits, T'pol's outfits... I think that actually the only exception is the Farpoint miniskirt and even then it just looks attractive but I don't like what it meant for Troi's brains so all things being equal I actually like her the most in the standard uniform jumpsuit which is, quite frankly, already designed to make people look good.
Now that we're decades away from the show and everybody involved has been interviewed a bunch of times, what I actually wish we could have seen was Troi as the diplomatic counselor instead of the vague psychological lead / poorly utilized character that we got. Because if she was the ship's therapist the long dress would work because it is tasteful and different yet still professional, but then we'd not be seeing her on the bridge the way we did.
I've posted this before.
My head canon is that when a new civilization joins the Federation, they get to pick the new Starfleet uniforms. The Betazeds gave us the TOS miniskirts.
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You're a better man (I assume) than me. My young self very much appreciated Sevens outfit back in the day. Although I have to admit, the episode where she travels back in time to the Voyager in dry dock and wears the science uniform plus a ponytail was also a great look for her.
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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.
It's a popular opinion. She looks WAY better. Hotter, too, which shows how dumb Berman is.
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As a female friend pointed out to me: “and you never see her panty line.”
"Dress was so short that you could see what I had for breakfast" is such an amazing turn of words
Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see "all the way to China." and she opined that's why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.
Butta Fett
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Oh, she ate pussy for breakfast?
Ahhhh, ok. Now it clicked.
My teenage self had no complaints about Troi's uniforms.
Tf are you still listening to that hormonal idiot, it's been over 30 years
I have to listen to my teenage self if I want to have any chance of getting him to listen to me!
None? He lacked inagination!
Even back then I thought she looked like she was freezing.
I mean yeah... It's cold in space.
Based Jellico.
I've seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.
😆 🤣
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I still love how Jellico’s changes were all just stealth excuses for cast requests.
That being said, a four shift rotation is absurd.
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In the first season that dress was also worn by men... How woke...
But crucially, not by anyone in the main male cast. They threw a few skants on to a couple of male extras to forestall accusations of sexism. A figurative (and and near literal) figleaf.
Frankly, a unisex, utilitarian kilt would probably have worked a lot better for gals and guys, but someone got greedy for “underbutt” and ended up with an outfit so disliked that it was quickly phased out.
We just needed more men in the knee-high boots
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The very last scene in Encounter at Farpoint, Yar is also wearing the minidress uniform, AFAIK it's the only scene with her in it. The camera zooms in from about where it is above into a close-up of Picard, and Denise Crosby very pointedly steps out of shot partway through.
I have to wonder if that scene wasn't the first shot actually filmed, if they weren't planning on just, having all the women in crotch-length miniskirts until they had a couple shots in the can.
The very first scene also has a man in the minidress uniform, I guess to show equality.
edit: Oh, this was mentioned a lot further down.
I love Marina but her character was so poorly written that Guinom (Goldberg's character) did Troi's job as counselor better than Troi ever could. Poor woman's entire role in the show was to be tortured and objectified while her character primary love interest shagged his way across the galaxy, Crusher probably got an award for her work during all his alien STDs.
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It wasn't just the dress, it was those knee-high boots that made critics call her an intergalactic cheerleader.
Didn't they revamp the uniforms after season one because they were horribly uncomfortable?
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Could be worse.
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