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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

New data centers should have to pay on a sliding scale based on energy availability in the local grid. And if they want to build out generation it should be solar and wind only.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Don't most countries offer subsidies for photovoltaics? Put solar on your roof and your energy bill goes down. That's the most direct government investment I can think of that will effect you directly.
Other than that, its supply and demand. The government building huge solar arrays wont bring your bill down if the demand for energy keeps rising. They'd need to build more production than there is demand.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Spain invested in green energy and I am paying a shit ton on utility bills.

[–] Teacrumble@lemmy.wtf 1 points 4 hours ago

Producing the energy has become cheaper. Delivering however… and costs for maintaining the grid will only go up after the blackout from last year

[–] Tharkys@lemmy.wtf 6 points 7 hours ago

I feel like the reason is obvious. Maybe it is just me.

Cheaper utilities was never the goal

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 33 points 12 hours ago

Nah. They would be 50-60% cheaper if;

  1. They required the choice between two different administrators.
  2. They were ran as non profit (private equity is ruining utilities currently).
[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 9 hours ago

You can double check it but I think solar is cheaper now. I was shocked as well, I thought nuclear was the cheapest still.

[–] Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 hours ago

Most expensive way of heating water

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 21 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really, I live in a country where green energy keeps going up but so does the electricity prices. You have to believe in Santa if you think the savings ever reach the consumer.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I live in Minnesota and the majority of the power produced in my area is Wind Turbines that are all pushing 5-10 years of use. The company operating them is well past the break even point and pure profit for every watt they get now but the price of energy is higher than ever.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Lots of US states have legislation that lets you choose your energy provider. People buy from the 100% green energy providers if they wish to pay more, not if they wish to save money.

Source: Several of my friends live in these states; they pay more to buy from 100% green energy providers.

[–] Benaaasaaas@group.lt 3 points 4 hours ago

Except you can't choose where your energy is coming from as the grid is balanced by any means necessary and that tick box to buy only green energy is just free money for energy companies.

[–] Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah because companies in the US exploit everything and everyone until they get stopped (which they don't)

And probably because fossil energy gets subsidised heavily to compete with renewable energy. So on your electricity bill the fossil is cheaper but your taxes are sent there ten times.

Well currently the US is fucked anyway

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

In the US, a big part of it is that natural gas is a waste product of oil fracking. If you want the oil, you will get a giant gob of natural gas to go with it. The stuff is really, really fucking cheap because of this.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 33 points 15 hours ago

That's why republicans hate it.

It sounds evil and simplistic, and it is, but these are evil and simplistic people we're talking about.

"Oh, new innovations in technology can help consumers pay less to power their homes? We can't have that! It would affect the profits of my friends Oil Baron and Coal Baron."

[–] skip0110@lemmy.zip 113 points 19 hours ago (15 children)

Why are utilities privatized?

Our energy provider increased our rates, then reported record breaking profits the next year. :(

(US)

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Because as a general rule governments aren't efficient running services and that's fine for a while but long term that means infrastructure isn't properly maintained which leads to service malfunction, which leads to privatization because someone else can do it better and competence appears because someone else things can do it better than the other or to collapse because things don't work anymore.

Source: I am Spanish, a lot of companies were privatized after the dictatorship because they weren't efficient and infrastructure was falling apart. Privatizing allowed competence which meant someone had to invest in infrastructure to be better than the other. Problem is now governments are confabulated with some of those companies to create oligopolies. For example my city has it's own water/trash company (half private half public) so no one is allowed to bid against them; you can imagine how that is going (from paying 35€ every 3 months to paying 65€ in one year), price goes up, no one can't complain or hire a cheaper one, while with cable and phone companies since Telefonica was privatized other companies popped out and you can have cheaper and better internet/phone/tv.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 26 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They should be nonprofits, independent, but strictly non profit

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 17 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Nah, let's privatize all the services you need to have a functional home. That way the companies can extract maximum value from the customers.

Brilliant.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

better yet, let's put them on the stock market so they obligated to squeeze their "customers"

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Yes but how would the fascists get kickbacks and bribes then? That's a big chunk of their income. Won't someone think of the oligarchy???

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (7 children)

Would also be cheaper if the government owned the energy infrastructure and ran at cost.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's not an answer. In my city for example, the water and trash service are public and price duplicated from 2024, water pipes, sanitation and all that is public infrastructure maintained by the city, the only thing private in this whole thing may be the trash trucks.

Energy is also heavily subsidized and we still have to pay a lot.

In my experience government doesn't make utilities cheaper.

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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Us is pathetic. Nothing is planned.
No direction. Every 4 years fuckers change shit.

Centrally planned china can run circles around

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, China is great!

All dictatorships are more efficient than democracies, so just give it a little time. Our dictator will catch up. It's our first try at fascism. Cut us some slack.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I've heard a lot of definitions of fascism, but the one that makes the most sense, that explains the most is this:

Fascism is what they call it when an empire takes the murderous and dehumanizing policies it uses on it's periphery - it colonies invasions territories "frontiers" - and begins using them on the citizens of the "homeland" or imperial core.

Germany had concentration camps in its African colonies well before they started ghettoizing Jewish people. The United States has had "fascist" policies all my life and all your life. Those dehumanizing and murderous actions have just been turned outward. But your means always become your ends.

If you want to know the future of this country, look at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Look at the black-sites and the special rendition treaties. The water tables poisoned by depleted uranium ammunition. The families lost to drone strikes as so-called "collateral". We have always been fascist. Those of us who just happen to live here, no different from the German citizens who simply didn't know and did not ask too many questions.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago

Not necessarily

However, this misses the point. We need to modernize our aging infrastructure as it is on its last leg. It honestly doesn't matter what drives it as long as it gets done.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Solar is so cheap now, that some people can just build their own solar and battery setup themselves.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 16 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Yes, but at scale it is significantly cheaper to build larger and distribute it. It also means people don't have to over invest in their own set up just to cover their peak usage. There is also a large amount of up front capital required to build with usually years before you get back what was invested. Its also almost impossible for renters or apartment buildings to do it themselves.

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[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe Nuclear, given it can actually support the base load power, except they need to fully deregulate it first so Nimbys and lawsuits balloon the cost. It shouldnt cost more nowadays in inflation adjusted terms than France building them in the 70s.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Your talking points are ten years out of date. The cheapest form of baseload power now is batteries plus solar. For seasonal variations? Nuclear is so expensive that it's far cheaper to just build enough to meet your winter electricity demand and have abundant power the rest of the year.

Fission is a dead end technology that people mostly support now so they can feel a sense of contrarian intellectual superiority. It's all just vibes at this point.

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[–] RoombaRehab@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The UK is spending billions on green energy and has the highest electricity prices in the world.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Yep. Meanwhile the US has some of the cheapest and is mainly Natural Gas.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Or the quicker way: the government nationalises all power companies, and sold electricity for cheap... Because it's necessary.... For society...

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