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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 110 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

bigoted reviews posted on games’ Steam pages, which can hugely affect sales for their developers; and Steam curators (self-appointed taste-makers on the platform) directing campaigns against games they perceive to lean left or pursue inclusion.

This fucking shit again. Reviews affect sales? Well, good. You don't get to carefully select a few most-read outlets who'll give you the thumb up. Also, chud curators are "directing" only those who follow them. This argument is about a failing industry that'd like to control what can be said about their products. Make no mistake, Steam's openness in this regard is, for me as a customer at least, added value.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 144 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

To be perfectly honest, the odds of me buying a game are significantly higher if I see reviews about “toxic femininity” or “woke politics”

I use those "wokism tiers" that you usually see from bigoted idiots to check out new games that I'll probably like

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That is literally how I discovered Signalis. It was included in one of those anti-woke curators' "not recommended" list, then I saw that it was an indie title, and overwhelmingly positive... I was sold immediately.

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You have to be way down the rabbit hole to think Signalis is too woke. Nothing it does would have been out of place in '02 or so.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Depends on where the curator draws the line, and you can't apply sane criteria to what they consider "too woke". Sometimes a game is put on a woke list because it has a female lead, or a physically strong female character, or non-heteronormative character dynamics, or people of color are present in it... I've seen one that was marked as woke because it referenced climate change and climate action. I think it was some popular shooter or something.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I occasionally go through the lists posted by chud curators for small indie titles that would have escaped my notice. I don't have time to scrutinize every title on Steam, but these guys seemingly have infinite time to ensure every unheard of title with a case of LGBTQ+ representation gets criticism from them. Ironically, they're fantastic for finding small, progressive passion projects I would have otherwise missed.

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[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree with that, but negative reviews also affect the algorithm. If enough of those reviews drown out positive ones it will reduce the chance you see the game at all.

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They're not just trying to remove negative reviews for being negative though, this is about bad actors weaponizing the review system to push bigotry. That should not be platformed.

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 99 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Steam has a serious problem with a lack of moderation, which has made it a very attractive platform for fascists. Gamergate never ended, and remember that began with Steve Bannon realizing he could exploit gamer outrage to push propaganda. They keep inventing new scandals to repeat their past success.

One of my favorite games had a very minor patch to revise some cringier elements from early in the game's lifespan. Years later, the forum is still unusuable because it's been colonized by right-wing weirdos with 0.3 hours on record who have dedicated their lives to crying about a game they never cared about pre-patch, because they saw it as an opportunity to push their propaganda.

[–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] missingno@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

While I do question a lot of the changes they made to Skullgirls 2nd Encore, there was one context where censoring panty shots was entirely understandable.

Filia was one of the characters censored. She's a sixteen year old schoolgirl, and while this may be a stretch, her name sounds like a reference to "paedophilia", which makes the fact that some of her animation frames and concept art were originally drawn upskirted with clearly exposed panties even more problematic.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 68 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Steam provides the forums; not mods. The developers are supposed to moderate their forums. The only forums I actually see moderated are the Steam specific ones (like the support board). Game specific ones are hit or miss. Most devs just seem to ignore that they even exist.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

The main reason Valve doesn’t step in on these is they have a firm philosophy of giving the community the tools to form their own outcomes, rather than directing them in every issue. So they might be dissatisfied with people writing “Woke TRASH!” braindead reviews, but also not want to take action on them.

The least they’ve done is remove the clown award so people have less incentive to troll. But I’d also like them to implement community blocklists; If you nag a game for “Having/not having LGBT representation”, you go on a blocklist 90% of the community is using.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 weeks ago

They also famously allow you to work on whatever you want, I doubt many Valve employees want to spend their days cleaning shit like that

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They also have guidelines for "user generated content" which includes reviews, and you can report people for violating those guidelines.

Sure Valve does not pay for moderators to check things proactively. I quite like that they don't have AI or some other half-assed attempt at "moderation" like other platforms have. I hate the way that the whole Internet has moved to censor "fuck" and made up the word "unalive" because the automated systems of platforms I don't even use have decided they are the arbitora of what language is allowed.

I think the responsibility to monitor reviews should lie with whoever controls the Steam page: I would assume the publisher most of the time? The publisher and developer should be looking at reviews anyways. Add in the ability for users to vote reviews as helpful or unhelpful and I think it's one of the better systems left on the internet.

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[–] imecth@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago

The main reason Valve doesn't step in is because it would cost them money. Moderating content is expensive as hell and these corporations will bend themselves backwards finding any and every way to avoid it.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted "don't ruin the game with woke shit" post up voted to the top.

There's a pencil thin line between farming clown emoji and overt bigotry getting pumped to the top of the reviews section by bad faith actors.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

They removed the clown reaction, as well as the ability to get points for receiving reactions.
If that ever was an excuse, it no longer is.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted “don’t ruin the game with woke shit” post up voted to the top.

I don't think I've read a steam forum post in close to a decade, and even then it was a very niche thing I was looking for. I have long since stopped feeling any enjoyment or novelty in seeing completely random people's thoughts, since in the last few years particularly, people have no intention to communicate and broadly just want attention, which has become monetized so the problem is far worse than it used to be.

Seriously, at some point we're going to have to accept that the internet is dead or too close to death to be useful for interacting with other humans. I think we all need to stop communicating online on forums and discord and the like, it's all become weaponized and not enough people are left without agendas and campaigns they're trying to push. Let's go back to how we did it for thousands of years and just talk to each other and make real-world friends, leave the assholes and shills and sock-puppets to fight among themselves.

Imagine the power we will have if all the scum and assholes become the inferior population scared to actually do anything or go outside and we become owners of the day and become the ambulatory force towards goals and social progress.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think we all need to stop communicating online on forums and discord and the like

They said while communicating online on social media.

No need to stop doing it, just be selective about it.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 37 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself", look at Relooted's steam forum. There are more than 700 threads there and most of them are really not kind. Tell me how you're going to moderate that.

Just put yourself in the shoes of game publishers or studios that make a game which goes against the grind and gets attacked like Relooted is being attacked. Would you want to employ somebody just to moderate the forums? Should the onus be on the forum owners or should it be on the forum providers (Valve)? Do you think this has no effect on the types of games being released?

I mean, look at this game Tyrone vs Cops 2. Is this OK? What do you think the forum discussions look like. Are they OK? If it's only devs that should moderate their forums, that means the KKK could make game about water lillies and then have their forums be the meeting ground for white power discussions. They won't be offended after-all. That's OK?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

For anyone else not familiar, here's the first line of Relooted's description:

Reclaim real African artifacts from Western museums in this Africanfuturist heist game.

The forum is full of exactly what you'd expect.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The reason it got this bad was because they didn't nip it in the bud sooner. If they had been more proactive from the start, there wouldn't be 700+ threads.

At this point, just nuke them all and ban everyone who made a bigoted troll thread. It's gonna be a game of whack-a-mole for a little while, but once you start handing out bans, the trolling will start die down.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Compare this to fedi, shared block lists for admins helps a lot.

Should each game have to clean their forum individually?

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[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself"

I'm of the opposite opinion. It's a much bigger problem than just Steam community moderation and it needs to be addressed more broadly. (Monkey's paw curls)

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

for a more recent example, the negative reviews under Relooted are fucking sickening. one of the top ones is a joke making fun of George Floyd’s death.

what does steam do? nothing. valve is one of the most profitable companies per employee out there, and they have no pressure from investors to botch their work, they could absolutely moderate.

they actively choose not to, because despite what bootlickers on lemmy would have you believe, gabe newell is a libertarian dipshit who values "free speech" over the safety of marginalized people.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are guidelines on Steam that ban such content, and you can report people for violating them.

So no, Steam does not do "nothing" as you claim. A very basic Internet search can confirm that.

Even better, users can rate reviews as helpful or unhelpful. Which is great for a wider variety of reasons, but is also good for reviews that get into a grey area or use dog whistles to hide their true intentions.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

as the article mentions, if you’d bothered to read it, steam rarely enforces their guidelines, which is the problem here

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The article is behind a paywall. Do they have any statistics or evidence backing that sentiment or is it just vibes?

You can find articles and reddit posts claiming this same exact thing going back years, and yet personally when I go through the store and look through reviews it's really hard for me to come across hate speech, especially if you don't specifically look at reviews that have been downvoted to hell. It's never going to be perfect, but I encounter less hate speech on Steam than most other platforms.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i didn't have any paywall, maybe it's a regional thing? here's a version that shouldn't have it.

anyways, here's a screenshot of the Relooted review i talked about. if you check the game's negative reviews and sort by most pertinent, it's the 3rd one. it was here yesterday, and despite me reporting it, it's still here today, and in fact has been here since february 11th. as time of writing, it has 373 people who found it useful, and 115 who found it funny. some of the comments under that review are critical, but most just say "based" and the like.

CW: screenshot of a racist review, makes fun of George Floyd's deathScreenshot of a negative Steam review, with 0.2 hours played. It reads: Ugh, what a game. It stinks. I cant breathe, I caaant breathe!

it's an anecdotal evidence, but as you said, "you can find articles and reddit posts claiming this same exact thing going back years", doesn't that mean it's a recurring problem?

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

If you pump enough money into Linux gaming and do regular sales, a lot can be forgiven apparently. Steam Discussions are one of the most miserable places on the internet I go to semi-regularly and I don't understand how Steam just gets a pass for the stuff that's normal there.

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[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 10 points 2 weeks ago

pressure from investors

This unfortunately trades one group of scumbags for another.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Fucking hell. You were not kidding. This was posted five days ago! The comments on that review are even more vile, to the point where I don't even think I can show them here.

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[–] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Reminder that The Guardian is a dogshit paper that pretty much systematically misgender trans people and keeps tripling down on backing up TERFs. You don't get to talk shit about the bigots when you're among them.

[–] rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

I would very much like to read something about it !

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

You don't get to talk shit about the bigots when you're among them.

I disagree, bad people can still make good arguments against different bad people. If the shit against bigots is valid, let it be talked.

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[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I've tried contacting gaming press about this. I contacted Valve (several times) citing their own rules, screenshots of blatant transgressions and they repeatedly closed my ticket and ignored me. I avoid buying games directly from Steam now. If I can find the screenshots later I'll update my post.

Edit: So here is the ticket I opened (this was -months- after repeatedly reporting someone spamming the N-word in the Official Steam Deck group chat for weeks).

Valve customer support is the best, hurrr derrrr

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[–] Funksylvania@piefed.social 20 points 2 weeks ago

Breaking News: Bigots increasingly comfortable, some mods bigots too.

It’s a shame there isn’t real moderation when people feel harassed, but I no longer care about those reviews as a consumer anyway. A negative review by some loser probably means I’ll like it more.

And I continue to support challengers to monopolies. Hope Steam gets a real competitor someday so I can take my money elsewhere.

and we don’t try to moderate reviews based on accuracy

Than, it's not a review, it's a social media feed. Calling that a review would imply that it must have passed some check. If there is none, it's a post, on a social media. Even than they'd try to moderate that if they cared.

Removing reviews, the response claimed, could be seen as “censorship”.

Fact checkig and moderation isn't censorship, it's moderation.

Recourse for developers is limited. Some are looking into their own security, shoring up protections for developers on their team against being doxxed or hacked by trolls. Or, in the case of the developers of Caves of Qud, paying their own moderators to handle forums and the hate that spills out of Steam

Which is guess for small teams or single devs is less feasable the less resources they have. That is to say, you're alone out there.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Part of the reason I don't play many multi-player games is the idiocy and racism

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I agree valves platform moderation is terrible but getting upset over some negative reviews from "charlietweet" and "toowoke" is bubblewrap levels of soft.

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