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Socialism for the elite but not for the masses?

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[–] klay1@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Do any of you guys know what communism or socialism really are?

This thread sounds like if they offer subsidies for goods, housing, school system and so on, then we can ignore you can only get in if they like you and they use the entire countries tax payer money to subsidize goods for themselves only. Must be socialism. We can ignore its about war.

If Socialism means collective ownership and social welfare, then where is the collective ownership in your examples? Many can't get in the US military, but pay for it.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 28 points 10 hours ago

I'm going to let you people in on a secret: The American military's support system is the very definition of socialism. Healthcare, shopping, housing, education all subsidized. You people literally use socialism to support your primary arm of anti-socialism.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

It's like the VA of grocery stores, or like the Medicare of health insurance, or the public schools of education, or the taxpayer-funded firefighters or judiciary or police or highways or ports or bridges or hydropower dams or the forest service or national parks or public health and science and technology research or NASA

LOL at the idea that we don't do this sort of thing all over the place

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Free Healthcare and and Higher education are the main reasons enlisted soldiers join the US military; both things that countries that aren't Empires offer to all their citizens.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

MAGA will find a way fuck it all up.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So Mamdani's idea was not even new, and took it from the military? What was all that fuss about supposedly communist run groceries?

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Because benefits people at the cost of corporations.

At least with DeCA there is a stone wall of needing to not die during service to access it. So it doesn't threaten corporations as much.

[–] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

There's also the fact that corporations greatly benefit from imperialism. You can't have imperialism without the military.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

But, if you die your family gets commissary access for life...

As long as you stay near a base. Cheaper to pay more at whole foods than drive to the closest Commissary.

What really matters is the exchange and tax free on big appliances.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 20 hours ago

Cuz he's a Commie. /S

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

The military in general is like a complete socialist economy: socialized health care, home loan programs, car loan programs, banking, insurance, housing vouchers, tenant and homeowner protections, groceries at cost, retirement and pension, and to top it all off the thing itself is the country's largest jobs program.

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 31 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

My husband and I, who are both Enlisted, have been saying for years that the military is proof that a form of socialism CAN work in the US. It's not "true" socialism because we still have an owning class, but ffs, it's a goddamned start. And its not just Active Duty who gets taken care of. Its also dependents, veterans (to an extent), and retirees. So there is the proof that the model is scalable.

At this point, I honestly believe that the biggest reason reason the government won't let the US have free or even affordable Healthcare isn't solely because of profits. It's because they won't be able to dangle free healthcare over the heads of poor teens to get them to Enlist. Same thing with the pension for re-enlistments.

I feel like those two items are purposefully withheld from the public to keep the military stacked.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 8 points 19 hours ago

Amazing insight. Thanks for sharing. Counterpoint: it can be both. And a third — they're giant pathological assholes. Trifecta of people getting screwed.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Indeed, the military tells you which uniform to wear on a daily basis. I do not understand the soldiers who say they despise socialism, when they're in the middle of it.

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

what has telling someone what to wear to do with socialism?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And all you have to do is kill whoever they tell you to.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

Including yourself.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

To add to this, something I like to point out to people, but (for the US) only ~60% of military personnel are ever deployed. Of those 60% only 10-20% will ever see combat. To top that off ~25% of the military are actually civilian service members, people who work for the military but are not soldiers.

So in summary, for each soldier that sees combat there are:

  • ~6 deployed soldiers who will never see combat.
  • ~11 non-deployed soldiers who never will be.
  • ~6 civilian military staff who will probably never need to move for work.

Of these 24 people, all have access to the commissary, retirement and pension, top tier insurance, paid child care, up to 26 days of paid time off with 13 sick days and 11 fed holidays. The only things the military civilians don't get are the VA, loan programs, and special protections.

So unless you're a complete block head with no skills or talent your odds of joining the military and basically getting socialism with no risks is pretty high. Remember this the next time someone gets mouthy about respecting "the troops" or "serving their country," odds are they didn't do shit.

I used to work with a whole group of guys who their whole military career (20 years) was running a wastewater treatment plant on an Air Force base in the US, that's it.

[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It may have changed since then, but after my dad left the USAF in the early '80s, my mom was a civilian employee on the base for a bunch of years, and we didn't have access to any of the additional benefits. I know that we couldn't go to Aaffes, the Px, or use any base services. Not sure about retirement / insurance at that time, but we certainly didn't take advantage of insurance if it was available.

About the only thing we had access to was some of the Recreation services: My mom worked at Arts and Crafts, and that was attached to the Auto Hobby and Wood Shop so they let employees use those facilities, along with the place where we could rent lawnmowers and other recreation equipment.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, it may have changed. Here is the website for commissary eligibility, it looks like civilian employees get limited access (mainly grocery store like items). Here is a link to the Exchange, they get limited privileges or conditional unlimited privileges depending on their situation. Here is the website posting the Army Civilian benefits. Looking online they do have access to on base housing, but active duty get higher priority and may have to wait for an opening.

Here is the general DOD website for the civilian employee benefits, it looks like they get general federal employee insurance (generally considered to be good), and the general federal pension (20 years of service by 50 years old). This site also has more information about the exchange and family care.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

especially if you have 800bn funding it every year. half goes to contracters(which includes the stuff you mention) plus giving welfare to other countries instead of citizens.

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[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 188 points 1 day ago (16 children)

During the first year of Obama's first term, with the push for the ACA, conservative pundit Bill Kristol got trapped by Jon Stewart into admitting the US government can run a first class health care program, but only for the soldiers because the rest of the public doesn't deserve it.

https://youtu.be/rRSZiWwiBuE

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I just had a MRI on the VA's dime and if I would have gotten it with my insurance it would have cost me 2400 bucks. The VA paid a civilian hospital 98 dollars for the procedure. I paid nothing.

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[–] supernicepojo@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Its not just the commissary. The entire way the military works is functional communism. Housing is assigned by rank, is available to anyone currently in contract, as well as healthcare and obviously, work. Pay is rated by rank and not by position, a Physician assistant gets the same rank pay as a Lt working command staff in any other unit. There is no capitalism in the DoD at all not even under their procurement systems.

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Housing is assigned by rank

Pay is rated by rank

Is there really a rank in communism? Who decides the details of a rank?

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's amazing how having health care, housing, consistent employment, and a lot of support services also end up creating the best US school system. But the radical left is hell bent on destroying the world. \s

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

The largest social program in human history is the US military.

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Its more than a grocery store. I knew a guy who was buying german VCRs in the late 80's and early 90's and shipping them home. The german machines didn't have the copy protection circuit in them and would make perfect copies of any tape. The machines were all bought at cost from a US base's PX.

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That would be the Base Exchange/Post Exchange, but it, the Commissary, Shoppettes (convenience stores), and Class Six (liquor stores) all fall under the Army Air Force Exchange Service. The Navy has their own service.

Funny enough there is still rationing. If you are in an overseas base, alcohol and cigarettes are rationed to cut down on black market sales to host nation citizens. We still bought stuff for our friends, though. Bourbon and cigarettes were super cheap compared to what they could buy on the economy. Coffee was also on my ration card, but I don’t think it was actually rationed. No one ever signed it off.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Thanks for the added detail. It was only the end result I saw. He got out in 90 right before Iran invaded Kuwait. It is unlikely he would have been deployed. He was Cobol programmer.

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