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[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 5 days ago (17 children)

I think I know what OOP means here. Films that people only like because they're "good movies."

I think the Avatar films fall into this category, as do most of the "Oscar bait" movies.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 82 points 5 days ago (7 children)
[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 5 days ago (17 children)

You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving "good food" (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it's fancier food it doesn't necessarily mean you'll actually like it more?

So, what are some foods that people only like because they're fancy? (I'd argue caviar is one)

Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they're seen as being "good movies"?

[–] Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 14 points 5 days ago

A million flies can't be wrong.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Shakespeare's collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same pen name.

Granted it's not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?

If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won't make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he's so revered.

In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well... He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don't generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 18 points 5 days ago

The 2009 BBC Hamlet with David Tenant and Patrick Stewart is, without a doubt, the best possible version of hamlet on stage, on film, in its entirety.

I worked through and annotated hamlet and then watched that version. Just me, a dark room, popcorn, and a cozy spot.

It has made me obsess over Hamlet. Such a wonderful story!

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 11 points 5 days ago

Shakespeare's influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it's almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a "wild-goose" chase. Having a "heart of gold". To "vanish into thin air". Even: "Knock knock, Who's there?" was his.

His works might be hard work for today's student since the language isn't the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today's films. "It's been done better since!" His works are from 500 years ago!

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet

You and I have different friends. One halloween we had a ham costume competition

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[–] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So like, the entire Marvel universe? 

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.

Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦‍♂️

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

And they could have still made the movies with the other billion

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[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Avatar is a glorified tech demo and nobody ever really claim otherwise. I agree Oscarbait might fit this, but I do not understand how Avatar could

Different kinds of quality. Cgi quality, acting quality

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 5 days ago

"Good movies"

"Oscar bait"

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Avatar is not a good film and this I refuse to watch it. In this six part series I will lay out my reasoning, beginning with the moon...

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 4 days ago

I hate these kinds of "opinions".

It isn't their opinion, they copied the opinion from someone else. To have an opinion on your own you have to have actually experienced the media. Otherwise you are just judging a book by its one review.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

Nah, those movies are ass. They just have amazing special effects.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 days ago

... and somehow they still get butts in seats and lots of people enjoy them.

People want to see the cutting-edge cgi. In that sense it absolutely is qualityslop.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nah, this is things like most Tarantino films, particularly Pulp Fiction, where it's a good movie, but every 17 year old you meet who loves it only loves it because everyone else loves it.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Ai techbros are way too deep into projection...

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (13 children)

The new Star Trek show is being called competency porn, which kind of fits this description. Although that's been Star Trek for a long time. I think folks are upset they're targeting youth with the last couple series... which, the average ST fan now being 92 years old, doesn't exactly shock me.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Oh, I love competency porn! My favourite is Martian, both the book and the movie.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Targeting youth with: prodigy ✅ academy [I wait to binge] disco [maybe?] snw [nah] moopsy trek 2 [that's launching a full spread, not just targeting the kids]

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 18 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Like everything Christopher Nolan makes.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Like Tenet

I mean, fun idea on paper.

But as a movie i was whelmed. Great actors and shitty script

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I liked Tenet, but I also made a conscious decision not to think about the plot too hard and just accept it's vision of it's own universe.

I feel like Nolan movies aren't really about the plot so much as the conceptual notions and visual spectacle. They are almost impressionistic, the plot is just a framing device for everything else.

I kinda think Nolan knows this and gives you a hint by burying the dialog in the mix, your really not supposed to care about the story that much.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Media criticism has become so full of right-wing messaging, that quality-slop doesn't sound off-base. Kinda like poes law.

These CHOADS take the time to learn media-criticism jargon and aesthetics, but they use those to make single-digit 'your Dad' type complaints. The most popular being the existence of black actors.

I've seen people vehemently argue scientific accuracy in Star Wars. People are aggregated right now at the "unrealistic" casting of black actors in a Cyclops movie. Next to this insanity, quality-slop sounds pretty reasonable.

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