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With plenty of uncertainty and political turmoil, I've seen many people looking into guns for personal and community defense for the first time. So I'm making this post to help answer questions you may have!

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Great idea for a thread!

I always stress that guns are tools and, like any tool, you need the right tool for the job.

For example:

If this is the job:

This is the wrong screwdriver:

You need the right tool for the job. So when it comes to guns, what do you want to do?

Hunt? What sort of game? Pests? Small game? Large game? Birds? Are you hunting for food or pest elimination?

Home defense?

Concealed carry?

These are all vastly different categories and have different positives and negatives.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Absolutely it's easy for people to shout from the hills "nobody needs multiple guns!" without thinking. A comment I read elsewhere said it's like asking a golfer why they need so many golf clubs.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I've got a few! For context, I'm a middle aged guy who grew up in a suburban family where guns weren't really something we engaged with. I've been interested / curious for a long time, but the wife was very opposed so I set the notion aside. With all that's going on I broached the subject for the first time in a long while (like, 20+ years), with an eye to arguing that it might be a good idea to be able to legally own and safely operate and maintain a firearm. To my surprise she was already on board, having come to similar conclusions on her own. Acquiring and gaining proficiency with a firearm is going to be a couples project for us this year.

I should mention that we're Canadian. We have strict firearm rules here in Canada, so that puts some hard limits on what sorts of firearms we can acquire. No high capacity magazines, no suppressors, nothing full auto, no pistols (it's technically still possible to get an RPAL, but handgun sales have been frozen for years). No "assault style weapons" either, meaning no AR15 platforms or a raft of other types of semi-autos. All of which I'll live with, I'm not looking to fight the system or get myself in any legal trouble.

Here are my questions:

  • In broad strokes, our initial plan is to get a .22LR bolt action rifle as a starter. My thinking is that it's a good option to practice the basics (safety, maintenance, marksmanship, etc.) without breaking the bank (holy hell, larger calibres can get expensive to practice with). Bolt action mainly because it seems like it has the lowest chance of getting snaffled by any future Canadian gun regulations. Does that strike you as a sensible course to start?
  • In terms of make, I'm leaning European, probably Tikka or CZ. Both have a reputation for good out of the box accuracy. Not the cheapest, but also not the most expensive. Frankly I don't know enough at this point to make changes to a firearm, or even know what changes might make the gun shoot better. Out of the box accuracy will reduce the temptation to blame the gun when the issue will almost certainly be the novice shooter! Happy to entertain any alternate suggestions.
  • If I get a 22 bolt action, I'll likely need a scope. Most of the models I'm looking at don't have iron sights. I've done some research, but the variety of options for scopes is incredibly broad. Would be happy to hear any advice on how I might go about narrowing down the field of candidates. For context, I'd likely be shooting the 22 exclusively on a range, almost certainly 100 meters or less.
  • Speaking of iron sights, do you think there's value in learning to shoot with them? I've been mostly focused on scoped rifles as I don't see much value in iron sights for target shooting and hunting. I could see iron sights being of much greater value for home defense, but legally speaking, home defense isn't really a tenable thing here in Canada. Let me know if you think I'd be missing valuable knowledge / skill by omitting iron sights.
  • Longer term, assuming I enjoy shooting as much as I anticipate, I'd want to get something with more oomph. The idea of longer distance marksmanship appeals to me, and I'd also consider hunting. Likely deer, but possibly elk or moose at some point. So that's got me thinking about caliber for an eventual second rifle. 6.5 Creedmore seems popular (and appropriate for target shooting and deer, I believe), though I'm not sure how much of the popularity is marketing hype. Thoughts on calibers for longer distance shooting and hunting?

Ok that was more than few... If you read all that, thanks for taking the time!

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A .22 bolt gun is a good place to start especially if you want to look into long range later. Relatively inexpensive for the rifle way less expensive for ammuniton. I agree it'a a good place to start!

You can't go wrong with any of those rifles, but I would suggest thinking about what long range rifle you would get and try to get the .22 to match those controls as much as possible. That way you get the most out of your practice.

Scopes can be a bit daunting! 10x is pretty much the standard for magnification, but having it adjustable for more is nice too. Not so much for actually shooting but for target id or even checking your hits, though that isn't as practical with small .22 size holes. Most scopes will have more than just a basic crosshair, with markings measured in MOA or Mils. Either is fine, just research it and see what you prefer and stick to it. Oh, if your scope has adjustable zoom I'd recommend first focal plane so the reticle stays the same scale as the target no matter the zoom level.

Irons can be fun to learn but honestly it's bonus. If you do want to change it up from scopes and there are plenty of relatively inexpensive red dots like from Vortex or Holosun. If it was me that would be on a separate rifle like a Ruger 10/22, which is a popular semi auto .22

6.5 is a good and proven caliber for long range, but I'm not sure if it would be suitable for larger game like a moose, but using the right ammo it may not be an issue at all. That's would be fkr you to research and decide.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If I get a 22 bolt action, I’ll likely need a scope. Most of the models I’m looking at don’t have iron sights. I’ve done some research, but the variety of options for scopes is incredibly broad. Would be happy to hear any advice on how I might go about narrowing down the field of candidates. For context, I’d likely be shooting the 22 exclusively on a range, almost certainly 100 meters or less.

For a nice, but relatively cheap scope I can vouch for the Redfield brand. The 3-9x 40mm scope is about $130 in the US. If you can find that sort of price where you are, I'd take it. In any case, a variable optic is going to work well in allowing you to shoot closer in for beginning practice/zero and further out. There are certainly different brand but I think any 3-9x is a good sweet spot to give you reasonable 100 yard magnification while still being usable closer. You could alternatively get 1-6x which would be more suited to the closer side of things.

Speaking of iron sights, do you think there’s value in learning to shoot with them? I’ve been mostly focused on scoped rifles as I don’t see much value in iron sights for target shooting and hunting. I could see iron sights being of much greater value for home defense, but legally speaking, home defense isn’t really a tenable thing here in Canada. Let me know if you think I’d be missing valuable knowledge / skill by omitting iron sights. As long as with the scope you are being mindful of getting good placement while looking at the reticle.

Learning irons and being comfortable does give you more versatility, but if are only ever going to shoot with limited selection of scoped rifles, I don't think it matters too much. I'll say that for any intermediate caliber or smaller where you might be putting a red dot on (which you could on your .22lr setup though doing that doesn't seem like your intention), in that case there's almost no downside to adding backup iron sights that can look through the red dot's housing.

[–] French75@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can get a reasonably priced .22lr and have a lot of fun with it. Even cheaper ones are fine. I bought my daughter a Savage Mk II bolt action a long time ago and we still have fun shooting it together. It's accurate further out than my eyes are, and ammo is generally the limiting factor (ie some cheap ammo isn't as accurate, but the flip side is it's cheap ). If the used market is a thing in your area, I'd definitely consider it There are many great used .22's out there. Most major brand guns are durable and most are more accurate than the people shooting them usually.

You definitely can shoot at 100m with iron sights if your eyes are good enough. A scope just magnifies more, and you will likely be more accurate with it if it's zeroed properly. I like scopes. I like red dots, I like irons. There's a time and place for everything. :-)

Be sure to get some training, and wear good ear protection!

Thoughts on calibers for longer distance shooting and hunting?

Starting with a 22 is the perfect way to defer that question while you gain knowledge. :-) You might have local/provincial restrictions on what calibers and metals you can use for hunting. What it is you prefer to hunt might influence the caliber choice. And the connotation of "all that's going on," might dictate an entirely different set of choices. In any case, one fun thing about the range is that if you chat people up, you and your wife will have an opportunity to shoot all sorts of different things.

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is always a value in learning how to shoot with iron sights.

For a .22LR specifically, I would recommend a red dot over a scope. The effective range of a .22 calibre will limit much more than the need for magnification. Plus, a red dot is much easier to pick up for a new shooter.

If you go with a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle later on, I would highly recommend a good scope.

Before anything else, make sure that you bring eye protection, ear protection, and a IFAIK (individual first aid kit) at all times when practicing, and always remember to keep the mindset that every weapon is always loaded.

[–] French75@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Adding to the every weapon is loadednfor OP, if you follow the 4 basic rules, its nearly impossible to have an accidental discharge that hurts someone.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/4-primary-rules-of-firearm-safety/

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I am not really new to guns, I just wanted to say I appreciate you :)

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wife and I are not gun people. But she recently said she'd feel safer is we were at least minimally armed.

I told her if we're gonna do it, that means education, classes, shooting range, the whole magilla.

From someone who knows, what is the best "order of operations" to these sorts of things for people to go from knowing virtually nothing, to being responsible, safe, gun owners?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Okay first you need to figure out what you want to buy. I would start with a striker fired 9mm pistol. Think Glocks, Smith and Wesson M&Ps, CZ P-10s etc. These are like the toyotas of pistols, unsexy but reliable. Smaller guns mean more recoil so I'd recommend a compact or full size. That gives you 10-17 rounds per magazine, and can be used for home defense or for concealed carry if you want. They normally run $300 to $600 or so.

Online research is fine (while you are at it look up a gun safety basics video like this) but you really need to go to a store and feel which one is the most comfortable to you. When you're ready to buy they will give you a form 4473 to fill out (idk about you but I NEVER mess with marijuana when it comes to gun stuff), and you'll be a gun owner! Don't forget some boxes of training ammo (115gr FMJ). 50-200 rounds is a good start.

Next look at a holster. Kydex is preferred since it is specifically shaped to the model of your pistol and light, which you should also order now if you want one. Streamlight and surefire are solid brands that won't limit your holster options.

Then find a class and learn as much as you can! A concealed carry course will teach you basics and legal aspects of defensive gun use. Practicing between classes is key. Don't be afraid to safely dry fire or clear rooms in your house. It looks goofy but it's fun too! Once you're comfortable you can find competitions and give it a go, they will challenge your skills under pressure.

Beyond pistols, AR-15s are popular for a reason. Lightweight, ergonomic, low recoiling, precise. They can handle everything from home defense to 300+ yards and there are plenty of classes for those as well.

Hope this helps!

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hey, these are good suggestions, but some of those options are illegal in many areas. You might want to find out at least general location of the person asking before you make suggestions.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You can't expect a random person on the internet to know your laws, sorry NY, IL and CA. That is where a local gun store can also be tremendously helpful.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

For CA it's essentially the same but learn your shit for the test and your magazine better not have more than 10 rounds if the rollers roll on you and check how your roll is rolled.

Before you pick up a gun, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the four rules of gun safety. Just give them all a careful read, and spend a few minutes making sure you comprehend them. They are simple and obvious if you grow up around guns, but if you have never dealt with firearms they are the key to ensuring that you never have a gun go off when you don't intend it to.

  • Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
  • Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
  • Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
  • Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What would be the best gun to shoot down a lunatic dictator who happens to be 79 years old and is suffering from a number of conditions, including dementia?

Asking for a novel I'm writing.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

It depends on a lot of factors. Is this character up close or far away? How protected is the lunatic and what would be the best avenue for approach? Can the character get to an effective position without giving themselves away? Do they care about guards or people nearby?

Sounds like a spicy story, I bet a lot of people would like to read it

[–] French75@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago

From what I remember of history class, a Carcano will get it done, but a Röhm .22 only causes downstream problems like huge protective services budgets, and legislative and legal battles that last decades.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (24 children)

Any recommendations for a home defense shotgun? Ive got some handguns already. Thanks!

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's hard to beat a Mossberg 500. If you're on a budget, a Maverick 88 is another good option. I'd recommend sticking with reduced recoil ammunition if you go this route. They're just as effective ballistically, but allow for quicker follow up shots and less potential hearing damage in an enclosed space.

Alternatively, if price is no object, you'd like some recoil reduction, and want to eliminate the chance of short-shucking, a semi-auto Beretta 1301 would fit the bill.

[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is short-shucking? Also, how does reduced recoil ammo work? Doesn't that mean there's less oomf behind the shot to propel it?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago

Short-shucking is when someone doesn't fully pull back the pump on a pump-action shotgun before pushing it forward again, which can result in the already fired shell not ejecting and instead being pushed back into the barrel, or the shell does successfully eject, but the pump wasn't brought back far enough to cause a new shell to be released into the action, so the barrel is empty when they push the pump forward, and they only get a click when they try to fire again.

Without training, it can be easy to short-shuck a shotgun in a high-stress situation or when trying to fire quickly.

Reduced recoil ammunition does indeed mean there's less gun powder in the shell, which gives less oomph. However since 12ga buckshot can take down a full sized deer, a lower powered shell is more than adequate for a two legged person. You can see a practical comparison in this Paul Harrell video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlTzpmoKnGE

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Can't go wrong with a Mossberg. My roommate has an 88 and I've got a 500, both are great. Sometimes you can get a combo deal that comes with a long and short barrel, barrels from them are close to $200 USD and the combo is usually less than half that more than the shotgun itself.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I have 2 shotguns, a Mossberg Shockwave 12 gauge, and a Henry .410.

A lot of people will tell you a .410 isn't as useful, but it all depends on what you load it with. 😉

For example, I'm set up with these:

Each trigger pull sends a slug and 2 ball bearings. So a gun that holds 5+1 rounds actually has 18 projectiles in it.

OTOH - The Shockwave goes "CLICK-CLACK!" and the sound alone could make an intruder shit themselves. Super satisfying on your end, super scary on the other end.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As others have said Mossburg has earned it's reputation for reliable shotguns.

Shotguns have quirks though. They have limited ammo capacity, and reloading isn't as straightforward as a mag fed pistol. It will take time and practice to get good, especially if this will be your go to in an emergency. So be sure to get out there and practice a lot!

You also need to look into ammo types. Others have explained that so I won't delve into it too much but it is important to learn what your ammunition does in your gun at the ranges you expect to use it. Shotguns have "spread" but at home defense ranges it's about the size of a hand so shot placement is still important.

If it was me I would not use a shotgun. Me, groggy and rolling out of bed at 3am to investigate a window breaking will be way better with an AR or handgun. The controls are simpler, the ammo capacity is larger, it's accurate and will have significantly less recoil. And I've practiced with them the most

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Yes, my recommendation for a home defense shotgun is DON'T.

Shotguns have very limited capacity (unless you have a 3-gun shotgun with an extended magazine, but then you have a problem moving it around indoors), and loading them efficiently takes a lot of practice. Also, at home defense ranges--under 10y--spread on 00 buckshot is going to be pretty minimal. And you shouldn't be using bird shot at all.

I would suggest instead getting a PCC as an SBR. That gives you capacity, the ability to easily mount a light, and far more controllable than a pistol

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[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm thinking of buying a shotgun - despite having been in the national guard my capabilities and experience with guns is pretty limited. What can I get that can take the abuse of a newbie man-handling it and still be dependable in action?

Edit: Also, how do I know if I got the stock and general setup correct for comfortable use? Do this vary from weapon to weapon?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Why a shotgun over, say a pistol or rifle? There's nothing wrong with shotguns but they do have limitations. Less ammo capacity, higher recoil and relatively complicated reload process. My point is it takes a lot of training to get good with a shotgun.

It's hard to go wrong with a mossburg, they are proven and used by many professionals. In general guns are tough and as long as you don't drag it though saltwater sand or mud you don't need to worry too much. Just read the manual or find a youtube video for cleaning and you're good.

Feel can definitely vary and is something you kind of have to experience for yourself. You can go to a gun store or to a range that lets you rent different guns. Length of pull (how long the stock is) is a big factor. That's why almost all AR stocks are adjustable. Hope this helps!

[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Frankly if it ever gets to the point I'm using it, I know I won't have a reason to use it at long range - I wouldn't shoot at someone in the middle of street, they'd have to both be a threat and at my door. I could never hit a target past 200 yards anyway. If you're in a confrontation with one person, neither of you need much ammo to resolve the situation. If you against multiple people, you'd be lucky to get a shot off before an entire armed group does. In short, if I need to fire, it will be at short range, and it needs to count.

I'd expect a pump-action would be easier to get operator error with, is there a specific semi-auto you'd suggest?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's fair...but don't sell yourself short on how well you can do even if it's only on the range for fun.

Mossburg 990 and 940, Beretta A300 and 1301. Benelli M4 is also nice but the price is the biggest barrier there.

[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What features made you pick those over other options?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Capacity, barrel length, availability and well known companies that are likely to follow through with warranty requests

[–] Firoaren@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Gotcha, thanks for your help

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've owned a CZ P10 F for a day and a half. Loaded and fired it today for the first time--and mine, too, after the 6 hours of instruction + 2 hours of classroom. It's a really nice pistol.

If my mother were to read this, she'd probably try and ground me.

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