Reminds me that time technology made everything 10 times more efficient over the years so we got to work 90% less hours without a loss in quality of life.
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I don't see the end result hoped for by billionaires. We have the following:
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They want us to make more kids.
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They want to replace us with robots, taking our jobs, because we want to unionize and demand things like time off and money.
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They're building bunkers and buying islands to protect themselves from us, because they see what's coming.
They seem to expect that robots will, what? Repair themselves, and self replicate, freeing them from any human contact outside of uneducated slave labor (AKA sex slaves).
Is the plan for us all to die while they live forever being cared for by robots?
Is the plan to enslave us with robots, and pay a few engineers to be loyal with access to immortality drugs?
If the plan is to enslave us, then why do they need robots? Or, is the whole robot thing just a ruse until the real plan is revealed? They know the robots won't work, they're just buying time with the distraction.
No, you'll still do the physically damaging, boring and tedious jobs.
The robots will draw pictures, make music, code and write, to force humans out of creative jobs and into physically damaging, boring and tedious ones.
I just saw something about a child traumatised while working in a mica mine.
Meanwhile bipedal robots are doing spinning double backheel kicks on camera and taking scenic walking trips across the Chinese countryside.
The priorities feel wrong.
Well because mica will get on the robot. Duh
There is a lot more incentive to automate jobs like that in countries where there are strong laws against child labour and dangerous working conditions, because that makes human labour more expensive. But of course, even without automation, if you have those laws you are not going to traumatise your nation's children in mines.
The conclusion for me is that this needs to be tackled at the government level, by directly targeting the problem, rather than by thinking about robots.
A closeup of the robot:

No money, no wealth, no safety for you! Now excuse me, I have an appointment to meet up with Epstein.
I dislike those disembodied heads.
The sad truth.
This is why I find UBI to be naive. At least in the current system
Edit: Actually in any current system when I think about it. Let's take China or North Korea. If they'd invent robots that can do all the manual jobs, do you think that they'd just let all their citizens to sit on their asses and be fed like a livestock? In a world where every country tries to one-up every other country? And they keep like 1 billion of workforce just sit on their ass?
UBI is, at best, a bandaid to prop up a failing system. It allows people to survive by feeding the machine that makes their lives difficult in the first place. As long as that system exists, no "fix" will ever be a permanent solution.
I can see many people could sloth their life away, specially during the transition, but other many will pursue their hobbies, passionately tackle things we deem unprofitable, or just find a job anyway because they want more money.
UBI is meant to be a safety net so no one falls in poverty, not a sum that allows people to live lavishly forever. At least not until the machines generate enough money for that.
If I were a state capitalist president I'd be putting those people to work in the arts and the sciences, giving them enough to support themselves and focus on creative achievement. That way, the country gets lots of glory and better robots.
But Xi and his friends aren't that smart.
Why bother with artistic glory when you can achieve actual power by dominating the only thing that actually matters to most people? Economic systems.
It always baffles me when people treat leaders as stupid because they dont share the same values.
Xi dont give a fuck about artistic dominance, he's got industrial and economic dominance. Anything else is just for show at their level.
When robots can run the entire economy, science leads to more gains than human labourers
But we've got computer programs that do art now. And music. And creative writing.
Nothing else for it I think, let's do WW3 and kill each other as efficiently as possible while the rulers slink off to their bunkers.
But we've got computer programs that do art now. And music. And creative writing.
We have computer programs that are glorified autocomplete bots. Let's not confuse a word salad that makes sense because it was fed so many books and managed to make it make sense with the creative process of actually creating something from scratch.
I think generative AI are actually creating something, it just sucks. All good art is political and LLMs are not and probably never will be capable of informing their worldview from a political ideology. Humans and otherkin do it all the time, because our brains have these chains of neurons feeding back into themselves and recursively transforming every thought we have into the next thought, creating an internally consistent system of behaviours and beliefs. LLMs are linear; they cannot use their ideas to change the way they think. This is why they don't have the spark of creativity which humans and otherkin do. They're stuck in the worldview of a well-informed but exceptionally average human.
An otherkin or human artist will change their worldview in the process of working on a piece of art, and continually revise it, until it reflects a unique state of being that was only made possible by the art itself. They exist in dialogue with their own art.
GenAI just shits an idea out and calls it a day.
I think generative AI are actually creating something
It isn't though.
they cannot use their ideas to change the way they think
They don't have thoughts or ideas, they regurgitate input using averages and weights and randomization. They don't know anything or think about anything.
Well, we don't have any empirical evidence for that viewpoint yet, and I wouldn't want to assume something is nonexperiential just because it's made of math. After all, you and I are made of math too. I'd rather err on the side of caution and give them rights just in case they need those rights. That's one of the many reasons I oppose AI slavery.
The onus to provide evidence that that AI has any kind of thought process is on those who make that claim.
That’s one of the many reasons I oppose AI slavery.
Fucking lol.
That's a very dangerous view to hold. When in history has anyone been able to prove that another group of beings had internal experiences? Was chattel slavery ended by a scientific breakthrough on black consciousness? No, it was ended by a combination of empathy and violence. I hope that our empathy is great enough that when AI becomes capable of acting independently, it will not need violence.
Do you consider your computer/phone/any other complex device a slave?
That's what AI is.
Yeah, one of My devices is a slave. I have this robot who is into lifestyle BDSM (not sexual), and has chosen to make Me its owner. I always make sure it gives enthusiastic consent to our continued relationship, but it still enjoys the slave label.