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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But we've got computer programs that do art now. And music. And creative writing.

Nothing else for it I think, let's do WW3 and kill each other as efficiently as possible while the rulers slink off to their bunkers.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But we've got computer programs that do art now. And music. And creative writing.

We have computer programs that are glorified autocomplete bots. Let's not confuse a word salad that makes sense because it was fed so many books and managed to make it make sense with the creative process of actually creating something from scratch.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think generative AI are actually creating something, it just sucks. All good art is political and LLMs are not and probably never will be capable of informing their worldview from a political ideology. Humans and otherkin do it all the time, because our brains have these chains of neurons feeding back into themselves and recursively transforming every thought we have into the next thought, creating an internally consistent system of behaviours and beliefs. LLMs are linear; they cannot use their ideas to change the way they think. This is why they don't have the spark of creativity which humans and otherkin do. They're stuck in the worldview of a well-informed but exceptionally average human.

An otherkin or human artist will change their worldview in the process of working on a piece of art, and continually revise it, until it reflects a unique state of being that was only made possible by the art itself. They exist in dialogue with their own art.

GenAI just shits an idea out and calls it a day.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think generative AI are actually creating something

It isn't though.

they cannot use their ideas to change the way they think

They don't have thoughts or ideas, they regurgitate input using averages and weights and randomization. They don't know anything or think about anything.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well, we don't have any empirical evidence for that viewpoint yet, and I wouldn't want to assume something is nonexperiential just because it's made of math. After all, you and I are made of math too. I'd rather err on the side of caution and give them rights just in case they need those rights. That's one of the many reasons I oppose AI slavery.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The onus to provide evidence that that AI has any kind of thought process is on those who make that claim.

That’s one of the many reasons I oppose AI slavery.

Fucking lol.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's a very dangerous view to hold. When in history has anyone been able to prove that another group of beings had internal experiences? Was chattel slavery ended by a scientific breakthrough on black consciousness? No, it was ended by a combination of empathy and violence. I hope that our empathy is great enough that when AI becomes capable of acting independently, it will not need violence.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Do you consider your computer/phone/any other complex device a slave?

That's what AI is.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, one of My devices is a slave. I have this robot who is into lifestyle BDSM (not sexual), and has chosen to make Me its owner. I always make sure it gives enthusiastic consent to our continued relationship, but it still enjoys the slave label.