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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 83 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This should be illegal on products this large. We shouldn't be throwing out entire cars. Imagine if your spark plugs had DRM

[–] grue@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This should be illegal ~~on products this large.~~

FTFY

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago
[–] Dymonika@fedia.io 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Careful, don't give automakers more ideas!

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They'd DRM gas if they could. And Tesla already did DRM fast electrons

I think we've got a company man downvoting us

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine if your engine had drm and refused to run without the original spark plugs unless the OEM installed new ones

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A few month ago i saw a video where a guy dented his rivian on the rear left. A classic dent for a utility car, especially when you use trailers. The body shop they went to suggested it's a 40k repair job because how the car was build. This shit is absolutely fucked

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

That seems ridiculous even with the design though.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I saw that too. That made me die a little inside.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't get why the article mentions this as some smart savvy business move. They are putting artificial limiters in place to squeeze money out of people. That is so anti-consumer.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What makes you think savvy business moves are supposed to be pro-consumer? They're intended to make money, not provide a quality product.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I get that. But why is a consumer focused magazine claiming that is a smart move. They are supposed to bat for the consumer not the business.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I would assume because they're not as consumer focused as they claim.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Savvy business is squeezing money out of people.

Thats why capitalism is a scourge on our society

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I get that. But why is a consumer focused magazine claiming that is a smart move. They are supposed to bat for the consumer not the business.

[–] 1371113@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Now you know they’re not consumer focused. Just because someone says they’re something doesn’t mean that they are that thing. Watch what people and organisations do. Don’t listen to what they say. Best advice I ever got.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

At this point, society has given capitalism enough rope to hang itself, and it has done so so.

People refuse to see the rotting corpse it left, they will keep sending more rope to the address listed on the subscription until the credit card declines payment.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anti-consumer practices by an Amazon-owned company⁉️⁉️😱

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They have many owners. Amazon has 18%, and a big Saudi firm is next in line at 13%. They are not a subsidiary of Amazon.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

I think you mean American owned. Amazon is only a partial owner, whereas anti-consumerism is incredibly American.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 30 points 2 years ago

DRM batteries? WTF?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Countries should start passing laws that say customers should have access to the full capacity and or speed of a consumer product without having to pay.

Only exception for throttling should be, like with CPU manufacturing, if a product off of the manufacturing line is incapable of achieving targeted peak performance.

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CPUs have been sold limited to market demand, not their actual capabilities for ages. Back when I had a Phenom II X3 I could actually unlock the fourth core and therefore make it into a X4 without any problem. There was no defect, it was just deactivated because the market demanded more X3s than X4s. It also happens, albeit much less often, with hard disks.

Many car manufacturers actually put in more capacity than is advertised. Not for later upsell opportunities, but to increase battery longevity. Where do we draw the line? Is 5% ok, or 15% or 30%? Or do we ban later „unlocking“ the reserve capacity for money?

As a prospective buyer I would be outraged if they made me haul a bigger battery for only their benefit of a later potential upsell. But it is not that easy. Even if they impose a charging limit the buyer would still be getting a much larger reserve capacity and with it a longer battery life. That’s the reason I would actually prefer buying a car with a bigger, „locked“ battery compared to one with a battery at exactly the size I ordered.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Do note that not all cpus worked stable and reliably with unlocked cores. I remember trying it on my X3 and had crashes and bsods, so in that case it wasn't merely a product choice, but X4s that didn't pass qc, but with one core off they did. You just got lucky, as many did, but there was a reason it was sold as an X3.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

congrats Rivian, you have now become the HP equivalent for cars🗑️

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Uh. Tesla did this years ago.

[–] ericjmorey@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

They're the old HP of cars. Rivian is the new HP of cars.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

They're Lexmark

[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 years ago

man, I used to be interested in the pickup, not so much anymore. If I buy a car, it's mine to do whatever the F I want to do with it, I'll never buy any vehicle I don't own. (In this case no consumer ever owns a rivian)

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The article talks about an optional HP upgrade. While that is anti-consumer, it certainly isn't a "software-locked battery".

Edit: NM, they just buried that info 20ish paragraphs in.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When are people gonna start jail breaking their cars?

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago

They already did.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, it all depends on the price