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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 121 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This sets an alarming precedent where a sitting us president can kidnap the acting head of another country (elected or not) which is an act of war, without the us being at war or having authorization from congress.

[–] lennee@lemmy.world 78 points 6 months ago

see the logic is only the US can, anybody else cant even arrest netanyahu when he flies over their airspace cuz for some reason that would also be an act of war towards the US

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You seem to not understand the term precedent. Neither is that a new thing to do for the US nor is it actually requiring congress authorisation. They gave up that power long ago and now don't need to autorise anything for up to 90 days.

Also the US has not declared war once since WW2... They actually set the precedent for "military operations" and -again- not recently either.

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Has the US not declared war in 2001?

[–] PoisonTheWell@reddthat.com 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Technically no. Congress passed the AUMF which let the President go after anyone they deemed complicit in 9/11. It did not declare war against specific nations iirc.

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

From my understanding, when you're lobbing missles to another country after another country does something horrendous to you. That's declaration of war.

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, that was a declaration of war against the US.

So how can all of what you said, not be a declaration? It doesn't matter if Congress passed this or that. Shit happened, we went to war with Afghanistan, we sent soldiers and fired shit over to the Middle-East. Yet not a declaration?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's an act of war, not a declaration.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I DECLARE WAR

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's normally done by congress before they start shooting missiles. 

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 months ago

The point is, America has thrown out formalities. If we think we're justified to do shit, we're going to be firing missles. We did just that!

We're not that country anymore. Anyone can bring up WW2 and whatnot, well guess what? During WW2, America had dignity. We don't now, not for a while. We just shoot first, ask questions never. That's how it's been for a while.

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[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The last time the United States formally declared war, using specific terminology, on any nation was in 1942

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

[–] te_abstract_art@lemmy.world 81 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 6 months ago

It is Year 2 now of the fascist regime and the damage doesn't stop coming.

[–] YashaB@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

It's going to be worse than 2025..

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago

Americans did nothing and things got worse. Who could have foreseen this?

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Guys, it's fine. Remember? Trump has the FIFA peace price.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Where's the problem? No winner of the FIFA peace price has started less and ended more wars than Trump. 😉

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Nor has any winner raped more kids than Trump

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I'm starting to thing the Fifa Peace Prize may not actually mean very much...

[–] beatnixxx@fedia.io 41 points 6 months ago

so you're telling me the "peace president" started another war? Unpossible. /s

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He's gonna go to war in Venezuela to stop people from talking about him in the epstein files

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, he did it for money. USA is a agressor.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I like that line of thinking as much as the next guy, but it strikes me as wildly misguided that the US politics has reduced to that. Like, I get the symbolic aspects of the Epstein's files for politics, but still think it is mindless engagement.

An indisputably genuine video of Trump raping a literal toddler could be released tomorrow and nothing would change. Their support base and the gears of power are already too deeply entwined to his personality. No amount of public rage or national indignation changes governments.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Okay now do Putin. I'll wait....

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh no. Ukraine attacked his house and that crossed a serious line.

There are rules of decency in this world

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago

“Attacked.”

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[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

They will kidnap Zelensky before Putin.

[–] YashaB@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Maduro is just as bad as Trump or Putin. Still it sets a very bad precedent when the US starts acting like Russia. Who will be next?

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter how bad Maduro is, this is wrong and illegal. Period.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Idk I think if he was literally Hitler or worse it could be justified.

But he wasn't and isn't, so it's for sure wrong and unjustified.

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[–] Heikki2@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just follow the unexploited oil reserves

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Not just oil, pretty sure I heard the other day Canada just found the largest lithium reserve on the planet...

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[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Mexico, according to Trump.

I'm skeptical though, since Mexico doesn't famously have huge reserves of oil. Still, he does really hate brown people, so that might be enough.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Canada, Mexico.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

It's not like we this is the USAs first rodeo

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[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Looks like the USA managed to buy the local army or something. Well, it went unexpectedly smoothly. Maduro really didn't look like the elected president. Not sure if USA puppet would be better though...

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 18 points 6 months ago

Not sure if USA puppet would be better though...

Depends on how much money you have invested in American oil companies

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He wasn't elected, he just denied the results of the election

[–] Keilik@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

That’s usually the kind of thing that gets you on trumps good side though

[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 5 points 6 months ago

I read that the US was offering a $50 million bounty for anyone who provided info that led to his arrest

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

All eyes on Taiwan next…

[–] DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

ALL of these mother fuckers are going to be tried, convicted, and sentenced.

[–] halfeatenpotato@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Respectfully, I think you mean "should be". Nothing has happened to make me believe that any of these fuckers will be held accountable for their bullshit.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Nothing has happened to make me believe that any of these fuckers will be held accountable for their bullshit.

Because we had no option than Biden, one of the most popular Dem Senators of all time (among Republican senators....)

Dem politicians didnt like Biden, Dem voters didn't like Biden....

But the donors Hillary handed the DNC too really liked Biden, so he was the only other option we got.

A shit ton of people knew Biden would never do what was needed, and he didn't.

That doesn't mean the next Dem president won't, just that we need to understand that not everyone with a D next to their name is the same. We have to pick a good one, not just to win, but to actually fix shit so we can hold onto our gains.

We vote for an empty suit the donors want, that's all we're gonna get.

So no matter what happens between now and then, nothing is more important than voting in Dem primaries

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

That's cute. They won't.

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Fucking WHY?! Just leave people the fuck alone!

USA has completed it's transition to Russia two nuclear boogaloo

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