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I hate people who use this rhetoric (the op) because literally every citizen over the age of 5, sometimes younger, is a tax payer. Any child that has gone to the corner store to buy candy is a tax payer.
What they really mean is a white, land owning male.
If you could pass an 8th grade civics class, you would know that testing for voting is peak jim-crow era BS.
Go back and try again.
Difference here would be the test is applied to everyone, not only a racial monitory. Still, the idea makes me squirm.
There can absolutely be a difference between a facts based civics test and the intentionally vague bullshit of the Jim Crow era.
Just because a process was used as a cover for systemic discrimination in the past doesn't mean the process is invalid.
We require it for gaining citizenship after all. I've taken the test myself and it's pretty basic 8th grade level stuff about how the government is supposed to function.
I don't think it's inherently wrong to insure that the people participating in the process actually know how the process works.
Disagree, any barriers to participation can (and historiclly will) be abused by those in power. I understand the desire for a minimum level of expectation of society, but unless those expectations are set in stone, they will be moved to disadvantage someone. It would be nice for people to behave and be informed, the world does not work that way...
Seeing as the quoted post is from Matt Walsh, I'm a little concerned about what would end up in his definition of an 8th grade civics exam.
(That's page 1 of 3, BTW, just in case anybody thought the 10-minute time limit sounded easy.)
This is one of the tests they used to disenfranchise black voters before, isn’t it?
Matt Walsh is a racist POS.
Yep.
I mean... I'm not a native English speaker, so maybe that's why I'm having a hard time here? But there's just too many things that throw me off completely.
No, it's tricky for native English speakers too, and that's the point. It's a literacy test that was given to black people in Louisiana in order to justify taking away their right to vote
It's intentionally ambiguous so that the officials administering it always have an excuse to fail you if they don't like the look of you (i.e. you're not white).
It was literally designed to keep Black people from voting.
It's not supposed to be passable.
The confusion was the point. It was used as a test to disenfranchise black voters 🙃
I had the exact same comments. The fifth one mentions drawing a circle so they do know what that is as opposed to a line around something. The first question is just nonsensical to me.
3 pages of this? I'd say it's a test designed to fail people with ADHD
And dyslexic people
maybe it's my ESL, but draw a line around…?
is that circling something?
Question 5 says circling though…
It's intentionally ambiguous so that the officials administering it always have an excuse to fail you if they don't like the look of you (i.e. you're not white).
In my gcse class my teacher made us do this test when we were studying civil rights. No one passed it.
Iirc, when it asks you to draw a line around something you fail the question if you draw a circle around it.
That's how deliberately impossible these tests were. No one can pass it without looking at the answers first.
I would love to have some contemporary material discussing this, like the officials who designed it, or the campaigners trying to get rid of it
This sounds like a goods idea until people start voting for certain people to get less education. Oh wait…
College educated voters lean Democrat and people with no college experience lean Republican. So not the winning idea Matt Walsh thinks it is. Especially considering how dumb MAGA voters are
I would be curious if it's the educational component or the money component that influences people to be right or left leaning.
Yes more people who have second education degrees lean blue, but how many of them are arts degrees and whatnot where they never got to work in their field and are wage slave baristas at Starbucks or whatever.
Meanwhile a lot of people who never went to college went to trade school and are making bank, but most lean towards Republicans.
There was one article I read where people tend to move from Democrat to Republican as they get older, since they eventually amass wealth and net worth and then all of a sudden have more to lose by taxes going up or other policies benefitting those with less then they have and they won't benefit directly anymore.
I'm sure higher education has a role to play, especially down south where even grade school public education is abysmal and most lean to the right.
But money plays a big role too I imagine.
Civics wasn’t a class we took until high school where I was from.
So.
No exam.… too easy.
Anyone who supports something like this and doesn't make more than $200k a year shouldn't have passed their 8th grade civics exam.
90% of the country doesn't make that much money
The funniest thing is that people who think you need some kind of qualification to vote also think they would be part of those qualified
Aren't all US High School students required to pass a civics exam before graduation? I was.
No civics classes when I graduated
Not me. Graduated '89.
"Camel, lion, donkey, camera, man, woman, cheese. See I can remember five things. Easy. Aced it. Sleepy Joe wouldn't admit to what I've just admitted to. Tremendous."
Idk, we should start with a spelling bee to set the baseline.
A really underrated part of the right always saying this is that your average uninformed viewer leaves the interaction thinking “educated people prefer the right” when nothing could be further from the truth. If this rule was actually fairly implemented and you actually had to pass an 8th grade civics exam idk if republicans would get a single vote.
If you want socialist democracy, sure.
Honest question, why does wanting a politician to know the absolute bare minimum of civics, hence being a regular society member, is akin to a socialist democracy?
Follow up, if a civics test would be mandatory for a politician job, it should also be free to every taxpayer, period.
Because civics teaches you the reason for taxes and what the government is for. It will lead to people not being able to run on "taxes bad" platforms and will lead to some kind of centre left , welfare enabled government.
socialist democracy
Well, duh! Sign me the fuck up.
Can op pass gas correctly?
8th grade has civics exams?
Not in America.