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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 114 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

This is what I don’t get about the manosphere movement.

Young guys watch these influencers being abrasive macho dorks, talking exactly like this. They somehow combine that “dorky, petty semantic minutia” argument style with being aggressively condescending and being a macho jerk, all at once. I’m a pretty isolated guy, yet it’s amazing how grating it is to me.

And men watching these influencers conclude that… other people will appreciate that?

[–] jerakor@startrek.website 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People seek confirmation that their negative traits are positive ones. Why put in effort to win, when you can just get an echo chamber to explain to you that you already won because of XYZ reason.

This isn't limited to the manosphere stuff but it certainly is a big part of it. Any group that uses that other people are full of shit though as evidence that they are the good guys is also trying to pull the same trick.

There is value in feminisim because women's rights are "new" and that is to say that there are people alive who grew up in a time where women's rights were considered a joke. Women received the ability to have their own bank account without a man co signing in 1974. That means MOST Gen X people, when they were born, their mothers were not legally allowed to have a bank account. That isn't ancient history like some folks like to act it is.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yup "Equalists" are just the same as all lives matter folks completely missing the point and trying to poison the well.

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Feminism isn't just about women.
Toxic masculinity isn't caused just by men.
Black Lives Matter isn't just about black lives.
"Believe women" isn't about blindly believing what women say. "Christian charity" is the least charitable thing in the world.
"Defund the police" and "abolish the police" aren't about eliminating police forces and letting crime run rampant.
AI is anything but intelligent.
"Global Warming" sounds tame for what's actually happening: "climate disruption" and "climate catastrophe". A bunch of countries with "communist" or "democratic" in their names are anything but.

Words are stupid. Slogans are lazy. People lie.

Which is why I like the lyrics of 'Enjoy the Silence' so much.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

Every single line item in your comment became ammunition for foreign agents to get into our culture over the last 20 years and just escalate the FUCK out of both sides of each idea there.

It was directly from the KGB handbook written over 50 years ago, that if you infiltrate a nation's culture and just amplify the most radical takes of both sides of every issue, it will create so much chaos and completely destabilize a culture so that people tune out and stop trusting each other or any news story they read. This has the effect of making the population just default to whatever state media they see and stop caring about social issues entirely. It's been shocking seeing how effectively it's played out in the US.

I watched it happen, I was on the frontlines, managing a few social sites and moderating a huge subreddit about relationships. It was a creeping infection at first, but eventually it was like Helm's Deep, but instead of orcs outside, it was astroturfers, crybullies, sea lions, and the entire goddamn ZOO of bad-actors and subversive chuds. For every horrible, shit-mouthed incel ranting about how women need to be put in cages, there was also some delusional, insane "feminist" screaming about how all men are rapists and men should never be left alone with children.

I gave up the fight, reddit banned me for being an involved human, but it continues to this day, getting worse by the day.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 46 points 1 week ago (13 children)

He had a point but he kinda fucked it up in the third panel.

Tbh I think the term is kind of unfortunate exactly because of this confusion and rebuttal. We would spend less time discussing this if it was actually called egalitarianism or whatever, I feel. People use the "fem" in feminism to make the movement seem unequal. I think the term is just kind of unnecessarily confusing and egalitarianism would be less ambiguous.

But I don't really care that much, the ideas behind are obviously more important than the word we use - but words are also important.

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

Sure, but its exactly because words are important that its called feminism. When you're talking about "egalitarianism" the goal is so vague that everyone can be on it. That's why you have names like "feminism", because that movement is focused on how we live in a patriarchal society and how women have been historically treated unjustly under it. Or "black lives matter", which, although I'm sure would also agree that "all lives matter", are focused on why historically, black lives specifically haven't as much. Same thing for trans rights.

When you combine that all into one, all the nuance of the different groups gets lost and the average becomes "yeah but human rights are so much better than 50 years ago" to shut down discussion.

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[–] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

Hippy, politically correct, feminist, SJW, woke...

It doesn't matter how many times you rebrand ~not being an awful person~ people will always make goodness the enemy

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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (30 children)

Ragebait art by someone who wants to seek rage from both sides. Mastered art.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

How to get the point across a bit better while also pointing out the guy actually doesn't care.

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[–] guy@piefed.social 35 points 1 week ago (25 children)
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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago (26 children)
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