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A talk from the hacker conference 39C3 about a post-american enshittification-resistant internet. (in English)

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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 73 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This seems to be the crux of his argument in his latest book, enshittification. It takes a step beyond his common complaint (DMCA) and suggests other countries ignore their version of it to circumvent US Big Tech laws. I’m all for it, but it requires European governments to understand the situation and act. We’ll see.

[–] thymos@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It seems like they'll do the exact opposite. The EU is preparing a change to the GDPR to exclude A.I. purposes and the commission has agreed to adopt American car safety standards (which are way lower) during the tariff negotiations.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then I guess it's time to put "AI" (actually 3 if-statements in a trench coat) into all my software projects so they can legally jailbreak corporate software!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Using a human brain to "learn" from the music and films!

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is one big but if I may.

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

I like big buts and I cannot lie!

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 weeks ago

As soon as I read his trademark word I knew it was Doctorow, awesome! I'll give this a full listen sometime later.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If only our politicians had more than 3 neurons and could focus them on the common good instead of their own greed

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 23 points 3 weeks ago

Then they'd be serving meals at a soup kitchen instead of lying for a living.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Loved the talk. Absolute must watch

Cory even revoked my book's return policy:

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why’d the author strike his own name?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was wondering that myself when I saw it

Seems like it's a thing some authors do, often for various reasons

https://www.writersdigest.com/writing-articles/authors-cross-name-signing-book

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for this!

I particularly liked this author’s response:

Nicholas Belardes

"Sometimes I cross my name out and sign. I do it out of respect for myself, for the idea of accomplishment, for the idea that writers are real people, that we can touch our manuscripts in ways that transcend the printed objects they've become. Our works become even more personal this way, because our signatures are more physically attributed to us in the world than even fingerprints."

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To stop enshittification, we all need to chase away any attempt to capitalize on the internet and get back to the roots of preventing data scarcity. Anyone running an ad or promoting some product should be chased out. Their product stolen and copied and shared until these people know they're not welcome. It would have prevented all of the enshittification had pewdiepies and Joe Rogans and Mr beasts were treated as the time vampires they are. It's not just simple advertising that we could turn off. It turned into a massive machine that stole our data, built profiles, created digital addiction tools and tracked all our movements just to sell us things.

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought that I'd listen to 30 seconds and scroll, but I'm really glad I didn't. Really solid argument, but it's got a "last mile" problem, and that's gotta be on us to figure out I think.

The question at the end where he basically ignored and didn't answer was "so how do we do this?". THAT is the question. I'd love to hear that answer.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Step 1 - raise awareness.

Step 2 - gather active participants

Step 3 - collectively do legal things that make life harder for anyone with the power to enact this, yet does not.

Step 4 - repeat Step 3, making it clear why this is happening.

Step 5 - make memes of the affair to further drive engagement.

Step 5.1 (potentially American/Russian/etc Exclusive) - get declared a terrorist for doing a perfectly legal thing.

Step 6 - build support structures and tools to mitigate consequences.

Step 7 - keep going anyway, in spite of what consequences can be brought.

Step 8 - ~~profit~~ build incremental victories to bolster the movement.

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago

I lol'd and cried 5.1 because it's so spot on