But can you create eggs in your body
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It's always funny when people try to define terms and they try to rip off the style of dictionary entries despite not having the same mastery of English as dictionary writers. Just saying "born with the capability of holding eggs" didn't sound dictionary-y enough to her, so she tried to add more to make it sound more badass and legit. But saying anyone is born with the intention to hold eggs is the most ridiculous and obviously flawed part of her whole argument, which would have been better off if she just left it out. But nooooo I need to sound super smart.
A stronger play from here would have been to utilize the fact that Dani challenged her not to exclude any cis women, so you could just propose that the definition of biological female is identical to the definition of cis woman. This would include all cis women and exclude all trans women by definition, just like Lea wanted to do. And by using Dani's own terminology which Dani already implicitly agreed was valid, Dani is left without a clear counterargument. But Lea was too stupid to have this simple idea. And Dani was too stupid to realize that she was already implicitly agreeing to there being a substantive difference between cis and non-cis women worthy of terminological distinction, and that she was implicitly drawing a connection between biological women and cis women by putting forth the challenge in the first place. A profound display of inability to think from all sides.
And by using Dani's own terminology which Dani already implicitly agreed was valid, Dani is left without a clear counterargument.
For one, it's fine, Lea would never use the term "cis," that's enemy speak. It passively acknowledges that cis is one kind of woman, meaning trans can be another.
For two, the counterargument I would offer is that "cis-woman" suffers the exact same problems that "woman" itself does. The distinction you'll see offered is that cis-women are "assigned female at birth," which you'll notice does not actually explain what a woman is. If a doctor ticked the wrong box by mistake, then John Sutherland over there might be a cis-woman. Or trans, I guess.
The exercise Dani is trying to walk Lea through is that words are vibes. In all cases, they ask that you intuit what the other person is gesturing at by being just specific enough not to cause any problems.
There's really only one rational way to discuss this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans
One of the more interesting aspects of this:
Most mammals, including humans, have an XY sex-determination system: the Y chromosome carries factors responsible for triggering male development. In the absence of a Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development.
Female sexual development is kind of the fail-safe option; male development depends on the presence of the Y chromosome.
For example in Turner syndrome (45,X0) a fetus develops with only the X chromosome (and only 45 of the typical 46). This always presents as sexually female.
But then that's not always true because there's XX male syndrome, in which a 46,XX individual develops male sexual characteristics.
Genetics gets progressively weirder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies
Many cases of these anomalies do not present significant health concerns and therefore are rarely identified (for instance, triple X syndrome (47,XXX)), which means that it's likely that anomalies are more common than what is represented in the recorded data. We simply don't have complete karyotype records for everyone born on the planet.
Basically, biology laughs at attempts to define strict categories. All we can really do is define what is most typical, and what is atypical, and of the atypical cases it's the ones that present health concerns which receive the most study. There is a lot of gray area.
And all of that only covers human sexual differentiation. Other mammals are generally similar (using the XY system), but have not been studied to the same depth as human genetics (because healthcare). And of course there are other systems.
So the original point is valid - "biological female" is at best a vague category with fuzzy edges and weird overlaps, with "normal" defined by statistical representation more than specific characteristics. Reality is too complicated to fit in neat boxes.
Fun fact about Italian politics: in the Veneto region (where Venice is) the governor for the past 4 years was a super right wing guy (Zaia) that always won elections with like 90% in favour.
During his last term at some point he vouched in favour of opening a new sex change clinic in the region, bringing forth a lot of criticism from the right and his party. But this guy has a degree in agricultural science, and at a Press conference he started an argument about biology and how sex is not always a clear cut and things aren't that simple in the real world.
Then everyone started joking about how maybe he was about to come out as leftist, and he had to clarify "no guys, I'm not leftist, I just need to take care of everyone's rights, I'm everyone's governor, independently of gender or sexual identity". Bear in mind that this is all coming from a guy that during the COVID pandemic said on live TV "of course it was the Chinese, we all saw them eating live rats" (direct quote, translated).
Anyway it was funny. The leader of his party (Salvini) instead said "I think they shouldn't approve it, I for one will never need it" and the joke was that if he became governor and you got breast cancer that's tough luck for you because Salvini will never need breast surgery.
he had to clarify "no guys [...] I just need to take care of everyone's rights, I'm everyone's governor
My perspective has been utterly warped by Statesian politics because even the hunt of right wing politics has me lighting torches and winding catapults but that guy, this alone makes me like him.
This was a one-off thing, not a rule
Male breast cancer exists, though.
Based only on that picture, the egg carton can be labeled as a Woman. It was born with the intention and capability for only holding eggs.
Diogenes has entered the gender wars?
Nah, but when someone claims to have an airtight classification of a philosophical concept, Cynicism got hands
Steppin out of the barrel!
intention
Lea, you absolute dumbass,...
The ol' plucked chicken bit, classic!
The English language is not sufficient enough to describe biological gender without making broad generalizations.
broad
I don't think women like to be called that.
that
Indubitably.
Even if there did exist words in the English language to define it without generalization, you'd still run into the problem of much of it being arbitrary.
Virtually any logical justification you can concoct for putting an intersex person in one box or the other can be used to justify putting trans women into the "woman" box. They have simply arbitrarily stipulated that trans women do not belong in the "woman" box and are working backwards from that conclusion.
Seriously, ask one of these chucklefucks how they'd define a person born with XY Chromosomes that has Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? They short circuit and default to some variation of "that doesn't matter."
Because it's arbitrarily been decided that we're the exception to the "normal" gender construct that needs to be policed, Other exceptions that make that inconvenient can just as arbitrarily be ignored.
Biological gender is a concept that doesn't have a one to one correspondence with reality, so it's not a language barrier thing
Nobody was born with any intention, women do not develop eggs until after puberty.
Biology class failed you.
You're born with all eggs you'll ever have. That's why conservatives keep talking about the biological clock so much.
The part about intention is definitely right, though. No new-born girl has the intention of "holding eggs", regardless of whether or not we add the stipulation that this is obviously not going to be about bird eggs.
You’re born with all eggs you’ll ever have.
Is that why the egg prices are so high?
You have all of the Primary Oocytes you'll ever have, you have none of the Ovum until after Puberty. It's never been demonstrated that reproduction is possible with only a Primary Oocyte, AFAIK.
Biology class failed you.
You just attempted to correct someone who was right by using less precise, less scientific language. Which is also what conservatives do when they want to confuse an issue like this one. I suggest you read aboutOogenesis.