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It's something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they've made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn't seem true to me, or I think they're genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn't being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

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[–] Mcf0603@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Cancellation is something only Twitter users care about.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

There is a line, I don’t have to love and agree with them on everything to enjoy an actor, but I refuse to support predators. Things like David Harbor cheating on his wife or the things people slammed Paul Reubens for I could really care less about, and I don’t give a fuck about their politics so long as they aren’t doing shit like J.K. Rowling and actively trying to ruin lives, however people like Diddy, Gaiman (whom I had personally loved for years), or Jared Leto can fuck off and die.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Borns made some of the best indie pop on the radio, got in trouble for grooming, disappeared. One of the most heartbreaking losses musically for us. Then years later tried a comeback but seems to be an unrepentant whiny bitch now, the song he released was so bad. It seems to have broken him.

I still think his early stuff is so good.

Ender's Game is a great book, and I did keep my Neil Gaiman books, the ones I already have.

I think in general (obviously there are exceptions) broken people make the greatest art, it's hard to have that drive when you don't have some sadness inside you, dissatisfaction, some missing part you are trying to fill. And with old guys (not Garrett Borns) they did grow up in a different time - I don't think that excuses them, but it does explain it. My mom thought Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin was scandalous but wouldn't have thought it criminal or really wrong.

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Louis CK. He was my favorite comedian, but the first special after 'cancellation' had all the hallmarks of a washed up has been with grievances. But he's been back to his old form lately, and I still consider him the best comic of his generation.

[–] umbrellacloud@leminal.space 2 points 2 hours ago

Louis CK is really funny, I haven't seen his new stuff. I thought Chappelle was funny, but he's not funny anymore. It's not because he's transphobic or homophobic now or whatever, I'm against those things, but a skilled comedian can make me involuntarily laugh at those kinds of jokes. It's because he's been replaced by a slightly fatter and unfunny clone. I don't think he came back from hiatus and he's still in Africa, this slightly fatter dude was made by Viacom I'm convinced. This dude is fatter, taller, and has a different skin tone, maybe that's just from staying inside and eating dorritos or whatever he does, but he's a different person at least metaphorically.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago

R. Kelly's music slaps.

Also he wrote & produced for damn near the whole industry, so the tree of artists you would have to dodge to not listen to his work is staggering.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Neil Gaiman. I'm afraid there won't be a third season of Good Omens.

[–] Lorindol@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes and no. The third season plan was scrapped and reduced to one final episode to wrap the story up. We'll see how it goes.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago

it will be hard pressed for me to enjoy something if the artist/actor got cancelled.

asian ytubers i used to enjoy, i think thier content is funny, but after they became covid denying, magaty, women hating(whole drama that started all this), they were dropped like a rock by most of thier fans, only the aprasocial groupies, and incels are left, the last time i visited the sub.

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Doug TenNapel.

Dude is a level 10 bastard. But Earthworm Jim was very influential to me as a kid.

The characters and the sense of humor; It just spoke to me in a weird and powerful way.

The games, the comics, even the short lived cartoon show was not too shabby.

Ga-roovy!

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 9 points 14 hours ago

It's a struggle sometimes, but I think it's the only real control we have.

It's a case by case basis for me. Some actor being in a movie I like isn't a big deal to me, but when someone has like huge creative control over something it's like a visceral repulsion to me. I don't want to take a piece of media into my experience with the subtext that the author touches kids or something. It's not even just that I know these people do bad things, it's that personal views shape how people make stories etc, and I'm not fond of putting that into my psyche. If they do some fucked up shit in the book, I want to be able to know it's because this character is evil, not because the author is saying this is a normal healthy thing to do.

RHCP sucks because I think it's pretty good music, and I was really into them when I was a teen, but given everything I know about them now it makes it impossible to enjoy their stuff now.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Stabbitha@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

was a coordinated hit job. What he did was immature but in no way sexual assault, but they knew that releasing it at the height of the Me Too movement would cause the purity-obsessed left to chase him out of office.

[–] artifactsofchina@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It always gets me that Matthew Broderick killed two people in a car crash and got off with a $100 fine. I love Ferris Bueller's day off, and I think he's really talented, but like this happened just after that movie, and he just did not seem to be held to account for it.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh gosh I didn't even know that.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Ricky Gervais and Norm MacDonald engage/ed in transbaiting. Which is not cool, okay, or acceptable. But they are geniuses I can't turn my back on.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago

him being a trump supporter is alsoa huge turn off.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Norm will always be a comedy genius to me, but Gervais, as much as I've enjoyed his stand-up in the past, has become a self-satisfied insufferable dickhead imo.

[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

He was instrumental in the creation of "The Office" which is the most watched show in our household, but if he's a transphobic POS then he deserves no respect.

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