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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Cleantechnica exists for the sole purpose of selling Tesla products. Links to it have no place in this or any credible community.

https://www.respectmyplanet.org/publications/fuel-cells/cleantechnica-painted-into-corner-with-years-of-anti-hydrogen-bias

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 5 points 5 days ago

I believe Michael Barnard is a con man who some how gets paid to hate on hydrogen. Most of his "analysis" is just linking to previous articles he's written

[–] rimu@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Hydrogen economy" believers.

Factual accuracy.

Pick one.

Don't have to be a true believer to recognize bias. Hydrogen-power is so far from a product you or I can buy that its laughable to fret over industry simps, and yet ...

... this article didn't mesh with what I thought I saw over the last year, so I looked into why. Factual accuracy wasn't on its side. Being unable to avoid reporting on certain negative facts doesn't entitle them to make others up in denial of all evidence to the contrary.

"Everywhere" was too much a non-credible stretch for even hyperbole; THAT is a fact.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

First, produce hydrogen with solar and wind, then store and transport it with rail and ships, and then it can be distributed to smaller vehicles. The biggest issue are oil and gas industry and politicians doing anything they can to stop the hydrogen progress.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

In the "smaller vehicles" part, great obstacles need to be overcome.

I would be content with doing only the parts that are reasonably economical and efficient:

  • produce it, store it as a compressed gas
  • if CO2 is available, convert it to methane (can be liquefied for distribution) or even bigger molecules
  • if there is demand, use it to reduce steel
  • if storage maxed (no CO2, no ore to reduce) burn it back to water in a turbine, selling electrical power when the market needs it

Economically, this would likely make ends meet - and keep hydrogen away from consumers (consumers are careless and their systems often faulty, while hydrogen is demanding and dangerous).

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago

I agree, that's a reasonable plan.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@piefed.zip 4 points 4 days ago

Yes, using hydrogen cells as one part of the storage for over production of electricity from renewables would be the way to go, if you go hydrogen.

[–] Armillarian@pawb.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hydrogen in gas form regularly escape atmosphere and there's no long term study about what will happen if we mass produce it Hydrogen gas cannot be safely stored, the container will get metal fatigue unless reforged regularly Hydrogen gas is so small that it can pass through almost everything

Did your periods (.) also escape along with the hydrogen?

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah. Adoption means nothing as one is making hydrogen with the mindset they make petroleum based fuel.
Production needs to come before adoption. And by that, I mean, the end goal production process.
Any adoption before that is just wasting more energy.


But that's the same for batteries, from what I see.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Companies loved the idea of hydrogen because it was still a 'fuel' they could sell to the consumer as opposed to solar which wouldnt require filling stations.

We should have neen looking at aolar all along

[–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Oil companies in particular loved hydrogen because it was so easy to watch it fail while continuing to sell fossil fuel burning infrastructure as "hydrogen ready"

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

This "article" is bullshit. A simple search will show that the EU is and has been using fuel cells in their trucks for some time now. Not only does it work, but real world tests show it breaking exceptions.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Uh huh, as expected and predicted

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well its hard to beat fossil fuel in terms of energy density.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

And if there were no externalities, that'd be just fine. But we're far from that wonderful state.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hydrogen can never be used as a practical fuel source as it destroys anything it's put inside.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are in fact hydrogen cars like the Mirai. Its a cost-effectiveness problem, not a you-can't do that problem.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry friend, hydrogen cannot be stored or transported in any kind of practical or reliable fashion.

Some ege case where a hydrogen-powered vehicle was produced doesn't take away from my point. It is not, and it cannot ever be a practical fuel source, because it effectively cannot be stored.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Rhetoric contrast in the title. We’re off to a promising start with this one.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago